Obama, again with the cheap insults

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Kentucky is the third largest coal producer in the USA just behind West Virginia. Overall US coal production is still around all-time high levels.

which, I guess means....drought and famine and the resulting terrorism are just around the corner

[Fly Rod]

Spence from one of your socialist websites....

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../coal-j13.html

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...ust/ar-AAe8rsU

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Spence from one of your socialist websites....

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../coal-j13.html

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...ust/ar-AAe8rsU

You're blaming the President, even that socialist website says the closures are about profit and shifting areas of production.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

which, I guess means....drought and famine and the resulting terrorism are just around the corner

No. Just lots and lots of meth...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Kentucky is the third largest coal producer in the USA just behind West Virginia. Overall US coal production is still around all-time high levels.

That's not what Rush Limbaugh said.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Climate change leads to crop failure leads to hunger leads to uprising leads to terrorism
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the only problem with that theory is that what we've seen is that the Islamic terrorists are generally organized, well funded, educated and not suffering from the scourge of crop failure or hunger....they resemble some of what we see on American College campuses lately more than they resemble poor frustrated victims of drought stricken nations........nice try though

none of the Paris attackers appear to have been suffering famine
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512

the Boston Marathon bombers were not suffering from hunger...etc...etc

you can run through the list, lot's of examples to chose from...please show a single example where a terrorist act can actually be attributed to climate change in any way

this guy does not look malnourished http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ks-France.html

and in all of the video etc..I've seen of protests and riots...I've never seen any signs or heard any cries or chants related to global warming, climate, famine or hunger

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

the only problem with that theory is that what we've seen is that the Islamic terrorists are generally organized, well funded, educated and not suffering from the scourge of crop failure or hunger....they resemble some of what we see on American College campuses lately more than they resemble poor frustrated victims of drought stricken nations........nice try though

none of the Paris attackers appear to have been suffering famine
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512

the Boston Marathon bombers were not suffering from hunger...etc...etc

you can run through the list, lot's of examples to chose from...please show a single example where a terrorist act can actually be attributed to climate change in any way

this guy does not look malnourished http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ks-France.html

and in all of the video etc..I've seen of protests and riots...I've never seen any signs or heard any cries or chants related to global warming, climate, famine or hunger

If you were not a 2 dimensional thinker you would realize that what I am talking about here is that crop failure leads to someone in Iraq or Syria to abandoning their way of life and joining a terrorist group or even a rebel group because now they can eat and get paid.

This is not rocket science.
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[Nebe]

And furthermore, what does the Boston bombers have to do with the original argument that Bernie Sander's pointed out- that climate change is partly to blame for the unrest and de stabilization of Syria and Iraq ?

Looks like you are grasping at straws to prove he is wrong. He is not wrong.
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[scottw]

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Climate change leads to crop failure leads to hunger leads to uprising leads to terrorism



again...look through the examples...you'll have a difficult time finding individuals who have been responsible for a terrorist attack and find and example where "crop failure leads to someone in Iraq or Syria to abandoning their way of life and joining a terrorist group"

there should be plenty to support your contention...even using what? three dimensional...four dimensional thinking??

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And furthermore, what does the Boston bombers have to do with the original argument that Bernie Sander's pointed out- that climate change is partly to blame for the unrest and de stabilization of Syria and Iraq ?

Looks like you are grasping at straws to prove he is wrong. He is not wrong.
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I don't get the rationale behind linking lack of food, and genocide . Mass migration maybe but not mass murder and murdering in the most brutal and barbaric ways .
Maybe I need to think in the fourth dimension then I can come up with reasons to excuse barbaric behavior
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

I don't get the rationale behind linking lack of food, and genocide . Mass migration maybe but not mass murder and murdering in the most brutal and barbaric ways .
Maybe I need to think in the fourth dimension then I can come up with reasons to excuse barbaric behavior
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especially since we know that 4 in 10 Americans go to bed hungry every night

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

I don't get the rationale behind linking lack of food, and genocide . Mass migration maybe but not mass murder and murdering in the most brutal and barbaric ways .
Maybe I need to think in the fourth dimension then I can come up with reasons to excuse barbaric behavior
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Give them lots of crystal meth.
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[Nebe]

Isis has 30 thousand fighters.
Some came from the US and Europe, and others are there because it was their only option.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Isis has 30 thousand fighters.
Some came from the US and Europe, and others are there because it was their only option.
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ISIS is only the latest and greatest example of Islamic violence....you and Bernie act as though the problem just popped up recently and the rest of the left acts as though ISIS is the sole purveyor...stop with the knee jerk reaction wanting to blame everything on climate change...it's a little ridiculous.....it was not their only option....suggesting that is just providing justification

[Nebe]

Bernie Sanders didn't say it was the only reason for people to embraced Bernie Sanders didn't say it was the only reason for people to embrace terrors terrorism. He just said it was a reason that should be looked at and it knowledged
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Bernie Sanders didn't say it was the only reason for people to embraced Bernie Sanders didn't say it was the only reason for people to embrace terrors terrorism. He just said it was a reason that should be looked at and it knowledged
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[Nebe]

“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate. “And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re going to see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”
Since the overwhelming majority of pundits and policymakers don’t understand the existential threat climate change poses, Sanders remarks were criticized, much as fellow presidential candidate Martin O’Malley’s were back in July. Yet for over three years, leading security and climate experts — and Syrians themselves — have made the connection between climate change and the Syrian civil war. Indeed, when a major peer-reviewed study came out on in March making this very case, Retired Navy Rear Admiral David Titley said it identifies “a pretty convincing climate fingerprint” for the Syrian drought.
Titley, a meteorologist who led the U.S. Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change when he was at the Pentagon, also said, “you can draw a very credible climate connection to this disaster we call ISIS right now.”
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate.


“And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re going to see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”


Since the overwhelming majority of pundits and policymakers don’t understand the existential threat(fifth dimension thinking) climate change poses, Sanders remarks were criticized,

much as fellow presidential candidate Martin O’Malley’s were back in July. Yet for over three years, leading security and climate experts — and Syrians themselves — have made the connection between climate change and the Syrian civil war. so some Syrians blame the Syrian civil war on climate change...that's a good one...I think the American Civil War had a lot to do with climate change too...I think there was a peer reviewed paper drafted by experts in the field somewhere


Indeed, when a major peer-reviewed study came out on in March making this very case, Retired Navy Rear Admiral David Titley said it identifies “a pretty convincing climate fingerprint” for the Syrian drought.
Titley, a meteorologist who led the U.S. Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change when he was at the Pentagon, also said, “you can draw a very credible climate connection to this disaster we call ISIS right now.”

great...another nut...."climate fingerprint"...that's precious

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yes...climate change/global warming wackos blame everything on climate change and global warming...which is why no one listens to them anymore

[Nebe]

Tell that to your great grand children.
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[scottw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe View Post

“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate.

Eben...shouldn't this be the other way around? sounds like Bernie is saying that climate change is being caused by the growth of terrorism..

might want to clarify that as it could be an important distinction...need to know if we should combat climate change by fighting terrorism or combat terrorism by fighting climate change

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

you and Bernie act as though the problem just popped up recently and the rest of the left acts as though ISIS is the sole purveyor...

Ding, ding, ding. "Lets go kill Westerners because of Climate Change"

Originally Posted by Nebe

“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate. “And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re going to see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”
Since the overwhelming majority of pundits and policymakers don’t understand the existential threat climate change poses, Sanders remarks were criticized, much as fellow presidential candidate Martin O’Malley’s were back in July. Yet for over three years, leading security and climate experts — and Syrians themselves — have made the connection between climate change and the Syrian civil war. Indeed, when a major peer-reviewed study came out on in March making this very case, Retired Navy Rear Admiral David Titley said it identifies “a pretty convincing climate fingerprint” for the Syrian drought.
Titley, a meteorologist who led the U.S. Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change when he was at the Pentagon, also said, “you can draw a very credible climate connection to this disaster we call ISIS right now.”
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Rear Admiral David Titley - never heard of her (just kidding - too opportune to pass up) . There are a lot of smart Natsec and Ex Navy folk saying that the current Navy is so far removed from the warrior spirit due to the SocialJustice revolution in the government, we better hope there is no real peer level war.

[Jim in CT]

Nebe, if Bernie says that some ISIS fighters joined up due to economic desperation, I would bet he is correct. SOME of them. Not all, and certainly not leadership. As Scott said, this problem has been around a long time, way before Al Gore correctly concluded he could scam thoughtless lefties to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, by bleating about climate change.

The underlying motivation for these people is religious, it's not economic, and it's certainly not environmental.

Haven't heard one yet, yell out "Mother Nature Akhbar!"

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Nebe, if Bernie says that some ISIS fighters joined up due to economic desperation, I would bet he is correct.

This is actually a big problem, young Syrian men don't have jobs and are joining ISIS for a paycheck...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This is actually a big problem, young Syrian men don't have jobs and are joining ISIS for a paycheck...

And you know this how? Do they have to disclose this on their ISIS job application?

If all they wanted was money, well now they have it. They have captured huge oil fields, some reports say ISIS is selling a million dollars of oil a day. If they took over the oil fields and then just focused on the oil business, one might make a case that this is all about economics. Not sure how machine-ginning 130 French folks, improves their economic outlook more than capturing oil fields does.

Desperate economic conditions might help in recruiting a few more foot soldiers. It's clearly not the underlying cause that they are trying to promote.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate.

In fact, Islam is directly related to the growth of terrorism. Of the two, Islam and climate change, Islam is demonstrably more related to terrorism, and on a vastly greater scale.

“And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re going to see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”

All kinds of international conflict have existed since the beginning of nation states and all kinds of conflict have always occurred even before that. The ultimate socialist method of eliminating international conflict is to eliminate "states" and have one world order dictated by an all-powerful central bureau of various "experts" controlling every aspect of the great unwashed masses' lives by unopposed law, force, and "training" to accept the peaceful coexistence of all beings and things. Notions of man made climate change, income inequality, individual biases and differences outside prescribed doctrines of human behavior, overpopulation, and so forth, are powerful propagandistic tools which are used to hopefully bring about an eventual stable, population controlled, paradise.

Since the overwhelming majority of pundits and policymakers don’t understand the existential threat climate change poses, Sanders remarks were criticized, much as fellow presidential candidate Martin O’Malley’s were back in July. Yet for over three years, leading security and climate experts — and Syrians themselves — have made the connection between climate change and the Syrian civil war. Indeed, when a major peer-reviewed study came out on in March making this very case, Retired Navy Rear Admiral David Titley said it identifies “a pretty convincing climate fingerprint” for the Syrian drought.

The climate fingerprint has always existed. It has existed more as a climate fist in the past with greater fluctuations and higher and lower degrees of temperature, all well before human intervention. Even now, the vast percentage of influence over climate is not man made. The tiny percentage due to human CO2 emission is supposedly a "tipping point" which puts us over some edge. The various non-human tipping points of the past suggest that nature has more in store for us and there will be little we can do about it. On the other hand, I suppose, as Bernie suggests, we can all become terrorists.

Titley, a meteorologist who led the U.S. Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change when he was at the Pentagon, also said, “you can draw a very credible climate connection to this disaster we call ISIS right now.”
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You could draw all sorts of credible connections to this "disaster," but why overlook the most obvious and important ones.

There have always been droughts in the Middle East and elsewhere. And yes, they have caused, and will cause, in the future, human misery--even conflicts. But terrorism is a different kind of "conflict." It is not a methodology used to ameliorate natural or even human caused changes in climate. The amounts of money, effort, killing are employed to bring about ideological change, not climate change. Just as have been past terrorisms, including Nazism and bolshevism in the twentieth century. And neither the goals nor the results had anything to do with climate.

And if some of the useful idiots recruited by the ideologues join the jihads because of poverty, man made or natural, the simple answer would be to offer them welfare rather than war.

And if we are to think that elimination of climate change will help to bring about the end of terrorism, or conflicts, then we are in a la-la land of mistaken identity. We cannot eliminate climate change. And it is not the cause of terrorism.

[Nebe]

Economic hardship is from...... Wait for it......... Waiiiit forrrrrrrr it...............


Crop failure ! Holy clam and cuttlefish !
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Economic hardship is from...... Wait for it......... Waiiiit forrrrrrrr it...............


Crop failure ! Holy clam and cuttlefish !
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Economic hardship is from...... Wait for it......... Waiiiit forrrrrrrr it...............


Crop failure ! Holy clam and cuttlefish !
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So killing people in France is supposed to stop crop failure.? Do you really believe that if we stop using fossil fuels there will be no crop failures? If so, seems like the answer would be to blow up the oil rigs in the Middle East rather than killing folks around the rest of the world.

Oh, yeah . . . yeah . . . some are too stupid to see the connection. They're probably stuck in some two dimensional sort of thinking where the only option is to hire out as assassins. At least then they'll have food in their belly. Sounds like criminal behavior. Ah, that's right. Socialists, a-la Bernie, believe that society is the problem, not criminals. If society was just, there would be no criminals. Oh, maybe some incorrigibles who might profit from some time in reorientation, or maybe a gulag of some sort.

Yup, society must control everything, including climate change. This will take great, minutely detailed, planning. That cannot be left up to run-of-the-mill regular people. They always tend to eff things up. And letting them self-control by the use of some little book of fairy tales and Santa Clauses is much too demeaning. All persons must be given dignity. That can only be done taking away silly notions of freedom and individuality, and instilling a rational devotion to governing experts.

Then they will have the true dignity of being provided what they obviously cannot provide themselves. And in the correct and equal proportions. Climate change will then be neutralized as a source of human discomfort.

[Nebe]

What does Paris have to do with the people of Syria and their uprising ?

You guys crack me up.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

What does Paris have to do with the people of Syria and their uprising ?

You guys crack me up.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria

do a little reading..lot's of obvious reasons for Syrian unrest....climate change is never mentioned and if it were it would be very low on the list of factors