Black lives matter

[detbuch]

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Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
I wish the BLM movement and the politicians and media that pander to it would work on the big issue facing Black Youths in America, being killed by other black youths. So while 2% of the death rate of violent crime is caused my law enforcement (some justified after trial, some not justified after trial), it gets 90% of the coverage and pressure. If that same pressure and coverage was placed on the highest cause, black on black murder, could we really, really make advancement on saving these kid's lives?

These kids do not have much of a chance.

Originally Posted by spence

I think the difference is that those ~2% killed by police have a much far reaching emotional impact. People generally assume gang members will kill each other, but if you don't feel you can trust the police where do you turn.

Spence, I think in an unintentionally round about way you are confirming JohnR's contention rather than coming to a different conclusion.

I don't think John would disagree with you that the 2% killed by police have a much farther reaching emotional impact. I think he is saying that is so because politicians pander to "activists" with an agenda (like the BLM movement), and the media pay 90% of their attention to that 2% more than to the 98% not killed by police but mostly by black on black. So he asks "If that same pressure and coverage was placed on the highest cause, black on black murder, could we really, really make advancement on saving these kid's lives?"

It seems logical to me that if politicians all the way up to the President and the DOJ, as well as black activists of all sorts along with the media hyper-attention can create a far reaching emotional impact by asserting pressure and attention on the 2% of white cop killing of black victims (much of it "justified"), then the same folks could create similar or even farther reaching emotional impact for the other far, far, larger percent of black on black murder by focusing likewise attention to it. And by doing so, it could lead to a greater chance that either type of black deaths could be minimized as JohnR suggests.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

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"If that same pressure and coverage was placed on the highest cause, black on black murder.

But doing that, would require liberals to (1) put the race card back in the deck where it belongs, and (2) frame an issue honestly, rather than demonize an invented boogeyman. They don't like to do that. Consider abortion. Do liberals say the intellectually honest thing, that pro-life folks have empathy (misplaced to a liberal) for the baby? Hell, no. Liberals claim that we are a bunch of anti-choice nuts who have a stated agenda to attack women's health.

Honesty, shmonesty. Much easier to deflect attention away from the actual, and politically inconvenient, truth. And then find some political opponent to demonize for reasons that make no sense whatsoever. That's liberalism in a nutshell. Admit that social security and medicare need fixing? It's not that you understand 4th grade arithmetic, but rather, you hate old people and sick people! Want our duly constituted immigration laws enforced? You are an anti-Hispanic bigot!

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I don't think John would disagree with you that the 2% killed by police have a much farther reaching emotional impact. I think he is saying that is so because politicians pander to "activists" with an agenda (like the BLM movement), and the media pay 90% of their attention to that 2% more than to the 98% not killed by police but mostly by black on black. So he asks "If that same pressure and coverage was placed on the highest cause, black on black murder, could we really, really make advancement on saving these kid's lives?"

I get what he's saying, and I agree, my point was that most people don't really care about gang violence unless they're personally impacted. A lot of people do spend time trying to focus on the violence, but the reality is many don't want to hear about root cause drivers that don't fit their agenda.

Why do we incarcerate so many people and especially so many black men? It's not a discussion people want to have, nor is it a trick question.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I get what he's saying, and I agree, my point was that most people don't really care about gang violence unless they're personally impacted. A lot of people do spend time trying to focus on the violence, but the reality is many don't want to hear about root cause drivers that don't fit their agenda.

Why do we incarcerate so many people and especially so many black men? It's not a discussion people want to have, nor is it a trick question.

It's like the drug problem I guess . Nobody cared till it came to our pretty little neiborhoods .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I get what he's saying, and I agree, my point was that most people don't really care about gang violence unless they're personally impacted. A lot of people do spend time trying to focus on the violence, but the reality is many don't want to hear about root cause drivers that don't fit their agenda.

Why do we incarcerate so many people and especially so many black men? It's not a discussion people want to have, nor is it a trick question.

"Why do we incarcerate so many people "

Because they break serious laws.

"and especially so many black men"

because black culture, more so than any other culture in our country at thi stime, embraces and celebrates a lifestyle that is a common path to prison.

There is a myth out there, and it's a myth, that prisons are full of otherwise law-abiding people who like to smoke a joint on the weekends. Almost nobody in prison is there for simple posession, and those that are, many were arrested for dealing but plead down to posession.

"It's not a discussion people want to have"

More accurately, it's not a discussion liberals want to have, because if they had the intellectual courage to be honest about what's really happening (read: tell blacks that most of their problems are 100% their own fault), they would anger the black community, who vote for Democrats 95% of the time. So instead of speaking the truth, liberals tell blacks that it's not their fault, but rather someone else's fault, preferably a white guy in a Brooks Brothers suit.

Most conservatives are happy to have the conversation. Problem is, you can't speak 10 words of truth, without being called a racist on every TV station except one.

"nor is it a trick question"

No, it most certainly is not. When I retire from the actuarial game, i want to be a life coach. Every single person who comes in, gets the same exact comment from me. "If you want to know what the problem is, look in the mirror. If you want to know what the answer is, look in the bible. That'll be $250, please. Next!"

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Why do we incarcerate so many people and especially so many black men? It's not a discussion people want to have, nor is it a trick question.

Because they break the law......

Discuss amongst yourselves....