HR 4269

[tysdad115]

I have to laugh at people who want restrictions on something they don't even know what they are.

[nightfighter]

So here is a prime example why I do not my rights limited by this proposed bill; North Hollywood Bank of America robbery and shootout. Look it up. The bad guys illegally modified their guns to be automatic. They were using 7.65x39 ammo. Also wore body armor, which defeated the police issued 9mm and .38sp ammo. Perps were walking, driving, shooting without deterrent. Police had to commandeer AR15s from a local gun shop in order to turn the tide in the resulting shoot out!
As I once told my son, when you are in a fight that involves physical bodily damage, you don't fight fairly. You fight to win. I do not want to be outgunned. Ever. No way I am going to be without a SHTF weapon available, safely locked, but available.

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

So here is a prime example why I do not my rights limited by this proposed bill; North Hollywood Bank of America robbery and shootout. Look it up. The bad guys illegally modified their guns to be automatic. They were using 7.65x39 ammo. Also wore body armor, which defeated the police issued 9mm and .38sp ammo. Perps were walking, driving, shooting without deterrent. Police had to commandeer AR15s from a local gun shop in order to turn the tide in the resulting shoot out!
As I once told my son, when you are in a fight that involves physical bodily damage, you don't fight fairly. You fight to win. I do not want to be outgunned. Ever. No way I am going to be without a SHTF weapon available, safely locked, but available.

So what, you can engage with the bad guys as they attempt to flee? Let the SWAT team handle it, events like this are pretty rare.

[wdmso]

So where do theses gang bangers and criminals who legally cannot buy a gun.. get their guns?

Are they being supplied from? Legal owners ? or irresponsible owners? i think below gives us our answer ...


1.4 million firearms were stolen during household burglaries and other property crimes over the six-year period from 2005 through 2010, according to a report released today by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). This number represents an estimated average of 232,400 firearms stolen each year— about 172,000 stolen during burglaries and 60,300 stolen during other property crimes.

[Slipknot]

Chris, he may be an A hole but he is far from being a moron

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Chris, he may be an A hole but he is far from being a moron

That may be true but online he comes across as a good Dad and a member who is willing to help others
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So where do theses gang bangers and criminals who legally cannot buy a gun.. get their guns?

if we knew that, we would tell the police so they could lock them up to be prosecuted and sent to prison.

build more prisons

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

if we knew that, we would tell the police so they could lock them up to be prosecuted and sent to prison.

build more prisons

Well not true . Since the last year of George Bush , gun violation prosecutions have seen a significant drop , as much as 42% lower . Kinda surprising for a gun control advocate like Obama . Makes you wonder what the #^&#^&#^&#^& he is doing .
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[redlite]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So where do theses gang bangers and criminals who legally cannot buy a gun.. get their guns?

Are they being supplied from? Legal owners ? or irresponsible owners? i think below gives us our answer ...


1.4 million firearms were stolen during household burglaries and other property crimes over the six-year period from 2005 through 2010, according to a report released today by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). This number represents an estimated average of 232,400 firearms stolen each year— about 172,000 stolen during burglaries and 60,300 stolen during other property crimes.

Guy on my hockey team is head of NB gun unit. He has been very busy lately. I asked him last nite where they are comin from and he said most of them are comin from house robberies or the such. He said a lot of the guns they take off street or used in the soarin murder rate are stolen from old family members that dont even know they are gone. A lot comes back to laws regarding proper securing and storage of firearms.
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[nightfighter]

Spence, as I have stated in these forums previously, when I choose to carry a weapon, I do not go looking for trouble. I carry in the event trouble chooses to come to me.
I am no vigilante. Not looking to engage anything beyond a paper or steel target. The only useful statement in your post is that these events are pretty rare. True enough. My point was when trouble arises, the perps come prepared to pack a punch. Why should Obama's 124 Democratic reps think I should not have the right to punch back equally?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

So what, you can engage with the bad guys as they attempt to flee? Let the SWAT team handle it, events like this are pretty rare.

Correct, these are pretty rare. What's much more common, are garden-variety shootings. Or accidents where kids get ahold of improperly stored guns.

I don't own a gun. I won't keep one in a house with little kids, that's just my belief.

But I do believe in the Constitution (even the parts I don't like), so we need to be careful here.

Liberals, as is often the case, are myopic on this subject. When it comes to the issue of gun violence, 99.99% of their effort is spent on gun control. That's part of the solution. But we also need to talk about making it easier to institutionalize the mentally ill before they hurt someone - liberals tend to be uncomfortable with this. We also need to talk about the violence we bombard our kids with - liberals tend to be uncomfortable talking about that (Hollywood gives huge $$ to Democrats, just like the NRA gives huge $$ to the GOP). And finally, we need to talk about implementing public policy that encourages (rather than undermines and mocks) traditional family values - liberals cannot stand talking about this, despite the fact that nothing would reduce violence more than this.

Part of the conversation is gun control. A small part. But liberals are fanatically fixated on this one small piece of the puzzle. Because they don't want to solve the problem if it means alienating their voting base. So they focus on gun control, and then accuse the GOP of not caring about the issue. That way, they can claim that they care, and as always, label the GOP as bloodthirsty hatemongers.