Hilary email

[justplugit]

This on top of the other 1,300 classified e mails found.

#5 "It's just something people try to throw against the wall and hope it sticks."

Like someone said, if she ever got elected she'd be spending her first
100 days between the White House and the Court House.

[JohnR]

Saw this a few minutes ago:

Hillary: There is no classified material on my server

Intel IG: My clearance level isn't high enough to see all the crap on her server

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

This on top of the other 1,300 classified e mails found.

Retroactively mind you. There also seems to be a lot of disagreements as to how different departments believe certain information should be handled. You could have info that considered top secret by one agency and yet published publicly in multiple sources but it's still considered classified.

There's not much new in this latest report, other than Republicans continuing to leak information to hurt Clinton's campaign. Wait that's not really new either.

I'd note Clinton's not under investigation and there's no yet evidence she broke any laws...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Retroactively mind you. There also seems to be a lot of disagreements as to how different departments believe certain information should be handled. You could have info that considered top secret by one agency and yet published publicly in multiple sources but it's still considered classified.

There's not much new in this latest report, other than Republicans continuing to leak information to hurt Clinton's campaign. Wait that's not really new either.

I'd note Clinton's not under investigation and there's no yet evidence she broke any laws...

"There also seems to be a lot of disagreements as to how different departments believe certain information should be handled"

No, there's not a lot of disagreement there. It's established practice that the agency that develops a piece of intelligence, has sole authority to classify it, and all other agencies are bound to accept that. So if the CIA takes a pic of North Korea missile movements and classifies it as top secret or higher, Hilary doesn't get to decide that it's no more sensitive that her yoga schedule.

"Retroactively mind you"

Absolutely, 100% false. The 2 emails cited in the story I posted, were deemed to have been higher than top secret before they got to Hilary's server. The IG considers that "a closed matter". The State Dept tried to change the classification, but as I said, they don't get to do that unless they developed the information.

When she said her server had nothing but wedding plans and yoga, it was a lie. Then she said it had no emails that were classified at the time. Also b.s.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No, there's not a lot of disagreement there. It's established practice that the agency that develops a piece of intelligence, has sole authority to classify it, and all other agencies are bound to accept that. So if the CIA takes a pic of North Korea missile movements and classifies it as top secret or higher, Hilary doesn't get to decide that it's no more sensitive that her yoga schedule.

But that's not what's happening. The information being discussed wasn't classified when she was at State. It was either classified after she left or classified as part of the email release process. Given the media scrutiny around there simply could be things they don't want to draw attention to.

Absolutely, 100% false. The 2 emails cited in the story I posted, were deemed to have been higher than top secret before they got to Hilary's server. The IG considers that "a closed matter". The State Dept tried to change the classification, but as I said, they don't get to do that unless they developed the information.

That's also not entirely true.

This is based on off the record information...but what appears to have happened is an aid forwarded Clinton a few emails citing public news reporting about the political fallout from drone strikes. Because the drone strikes weren't supposed to be happening (ssssshhhhhhhhhh) the program was considered top secret/SAP and so any government correspondence on the topic "should" be handled with that designation.

I'm sure some will clamor that Clinton would have known this and should have rang the alarm bell on mishandling information, but that's pretty silly...If the above is true you can toss this right back into the dust bin with all the other accusations.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

But that's not what's happening. The information being discussed wasn't classified when she was at State. It was either classified after she left or classified as part of the email release process. Given the media scrutiny around there simply could be things they don't want to draw attention to.


That's also not entirely true.

This is based on off the record information...but what appears to have happened is an aid forwarded Clinton a few emails citing public news reporting about the political fallout from drone strikes. Because the drone strikes weren't supposed to be happening (ssssshhhhhhhhhh) the program was considered top secret/SAP and so any government correspondence on the topic "should" be handled with that designation.

I'm sure some will clamor that Clinton would have known this and should have rang the alarm bell on mishandling information, but that's pretty silly...If the above is true you can toss this right back into the dust bin with all the other accusations.

"The information being discussed wasn't classified when she was at State"

That is what Hilary is saying. That's not what the IG is saying. Read the link I posted...

"As Fox News first reported, those two emails were “top secret” when they hit the server, and it is now considered a settled matter."

At a minimum, Spence...what do you think of her initial claims that her server only had wedding plans, yoga schedules, things like that?

We will see.

Another story...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...challenge.html

From this article...

"An intelligence community review has re-affirmed that two classified emails were indeed “top secret” when they hit Hillary Clinton’s unsecured personal server despite a challenge to that designation by the State Department, according to two sources familiar with the review.

The sources described the dispute over whether the two emails were classified at the highest level as a “settled matter.”

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

At a minimum, Spence...what do you think of her initial claims that her server only had wedding plans, yoga schedules, things like that?

I don't think she ever claimed that.

But anyway, you're getting your emails confused. The IG report is not about the same emails in your second link. FOX is spinning you around so fast the stories are getting all mixed together.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think she ever claimed that.

But anyway, you're getting your emails confused. The IG report is not about the same emails in your second link. FOX is spinning you around so fast the stories are getting all mixed together.

I see...

So, then, what about the 2 emails that were top secret (or higher) at the time they hit her server?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Retroactively mind you. There also seems to be a lot of disagreements as to how different departments believe certain information should be handled. You could have info that considered top secret by one agency and yet published publicly in multiple sources but it's still considered classified.

There's not much new in this latest report, other than Republicans continuing to leak information to hurt Clinton's campaign. Wait that's not really new either.

I'd note Clinton's not under investigation and there's no yet evidence she broke any laws...

mutterings of a mind-numbed cultist

Hillary will be fine...I saw a poll a few days ago that indicated an impressive number of democrats were happy to see continue her campaign for president even after and if she finds herself under indictment

[DZ]

The last email report is not good. I work in this field. When you reveal sources and methods your basically stating exactly who our spies are, how they are getting the info, and from who. If these sources are still in country they and their friends, family, etc, are caught, incarcerated, or killed. This is far reaching.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

mutterings of a mind-numbed cultist

Hillary will be fine...I saw a poll a few days ago that indicated an impressive number of democrats were happy to see continue her campaign for president even after and if she finds herself under indictment

You are correct, I doubt that an indictment keeps her from getting the Democratic nomination (Bill was humiliated, impeached, and disbarred, and no one holds that against him). It will hurt her in the general.

They are an awful lot like the Kennedys. No morals whatsoever, and a firm conviction that the world is better off if they are running it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd note Clinton's not under investigation and there's no yet evidence she broke any laws...

Wait, what? She's not under investigation? What are those 150 FBI agents doing all day?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Wait, what? She's not under investigation? What are those 150 FBI agents doing all day?

Yes, Clinton is not a target of the Federal probe. This was falsely reported by the NYT months ago, another Republican leak intended to smear...

[Fly Rod]

And they want to reduce Petraeus rank for sending 2 emails....spence, not long ago one of hillary's email sent to her harem of confidence contained verbiage of how to get around sending classified info as non classified....did ya miss that one?...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

And they want to reduce Petraeus rank for sending 2 emails....spence, not long ago one of hillary's email sent to her harem of confidence contained verbiage of how to get around sending classified info as non classified....did ya miss that one?...

I doubt Petraeus gets demoted, he shouldn't, but in that case he did knowingly leak classified information...

As for Clinton, I believe what happened is that she needed unclassified talking points that they were attempting to transmit over the secure fax, or the unclassified talking points were part of a classified document. The secure fax wasn't working so she asked for the unclassified talking points to be sent via unsecured network which was perfectly legal. The reporting doesn't seem to indicate they were ever sent unsecured regardless.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

As for Clinton, I believe what happened is that she needed unclassified talking points that they were attempting to transmit over the secure fax, or the unclassified talking points were part of a classified document. The secure fax wasn't working so she asked for the unclassified talking points to be sent via unsecured network which was perfectly legal. The reporting doesn't seem to indicate they were ever sent unsecured regardless.

no doubt you believe that nonsense