Hilary email

[PaulS]

Were all the emails in question sent by someone else or where they created by Hillary?

[DZ]

Whether she put the emails on the server or someone else did is not the issue. She as head of the DOS is ultimately responsible for what is on the server. In government responsibility goes up the chain of the command and blame often goes down the chain. Think about how many department heads over the years were forced to resign when something happened on their watch even though they were not directly responsible.

What is troubling to me is that her campaign continues to state that there is no FBI investigation about her server or emails at all. I'm stumped by that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by DZ

What is troubling to me is that her campaign continues to state that there is no FBI investigation about her server or emails at all. I'm stumped by that.

Spence said that here, and I was baffled by it. I saw a Hilary apologist on TV last night who said the same thing, she claimed that the FBI has declared that Hilary is not the subject of an investigation.

So what are those 100 FBI agents doing all day?

[DZ]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence said that here, and I was baffled by it. I saw a Hilary apologist on TV last night who said the same thing, she claimed that the FBI has declared that Hilary is not the subject of an investigation.

So what are those 100 FBI agents doing all day?

Not sure - I'm starting to wonder about the veracity of that statement. I would have thought there would have been a statement by the FBI to that effect but I haven't seen it. Just reporters stating their sources are FBI employees.

[spence]

Originally Posted by DZ

Whether she put the emails on the server or someone else did is not the issue. She as head of the DOS is ultimately responsible for what is on the server. In government responsibility goes up the chain of the command and blame often goes down the chain. Think about how many department heads over the years were forced to resign when something happened on their watch even though they were not directly responsible.

What is troubling to me is that her campaign continues to state that there is no FBI investigation about her server or emails at all. I'm stumped by that.

If it was revealed that her use of the private server led to some calamity there would likely be some fallout, but to date there isn't any evidence of this.

They don't say there's no FBI investigation, it's that Clinton is not a target of a criminal investigation. This was wrongly reported I think by the NYTimes and just repeated over and over by FOX and all the fake news sites...

[JohnR]

Spence - Keep telling yourself it is a vast RWC

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

If it was revealed that her use of the private server led to some calamity there would likely be some fallout, but to date there isn't any evidence of this.

Makes you wonder why they issue speeding tickets even if the speeding didn't lead to a calamity.

This was wrongly reported I think by the NYTimes , , , and all the other fake news sites...

Fixed,

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Fixed,

Um, speeding is illegal...according to the DOJ her use of the server and to delete private emails wasn't.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

If it was revealed that her use of the private server led to some calamity there would likely be some fallout, but to date there isn't any evidence of this.
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Kinda like making it home driving Chit-faced....No harm, No Foul.

Pretty sure it's still illegal.....or at the very least irresponsible.

And at the very least I shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of the van pool...
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Kinda like making it home driving Chit-faced....No harm, No Foul.

Pretty sure it's still illegal.....or at the very least irresponsible.

And at the very least I shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of the van pool...
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You keep comparing illegal activity with legal but not perfect behavior. I'd say it's more akin to steering briefly with your knee.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

You keep comparing illegal activity with legal but not perfect behavior. I'd say it's more akin to steering briefly with your knee.

He did throw in "at the very least irresponsible . . . And at the very least [she] shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of the van pool...

She's disqualified whether her actions were legal or illegal.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

You keep comparing illegal activity with legal but not perfect behavior. I'd say it's more akin to steering briefly with your knee.

Its legal to own a car and drive a car, you can drive it 24/7 if you want. you can load it up with people or you can load it up with crap and drive it anywhere you want

Its illegal to operate under the influence, there is the crime.

You can own your own server. You can run it 24/7 if you want. You can load it up with all the files you want. Hillary is free to store all her leather thong and corset pics she wants (feel free to file that visual away in your spank bank)

Its illegal to mis-handle, whether with intent or through negligence, classified material. She signed an NDA to that fact saying that when she took her position as SecState.

Her defenders are always quick to say that she didn't do anything illegal by having her server and think that covers it.....its not the fact that she had a server.....its what she did with it that is the problem.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Its illegal to mis-handle, whether with intent or through negligence, classified material. She signed an NDA to that fact saying that when she took her position as SecState.

Her defenders are always quick to say that she didn't do anything illegal by having her server and think that covers it.....its not the fact that she had a server.....its what she did with it that is the problem.

I think we all understand it's not just about the server. The issue here is there still isn't really evidence Clinton mishandled anything, yet people are all running around saying she did.

Clinton being forwarded what's considered at the time benign information, that years later is deemed sensitive during a public release process is not mishandling information.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

If it was revealed that her use of the private server led to some calamity there would likely be some fallout, but to date there isn't any evidence of this.
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Spence....Petraeus sent 2 emails to the lady friend, they did not cause any damage, or any disaster....so Y is he punished and not her....I know Y, she is the Affluenza lady....

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Kinda like making it home driving Chit-faced....No harm, No Foul.

Pretty sure it's still illegal.....or at the very least irresponsible.

And at the very least I shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of the van pool...
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Good analogy.

Well, except we are fairly certain that other foreign governments were reading the emails of the SECRETARY OF STATE.

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Yep
Typical Democrat
Just like blaming things on someone or something else taking no responsibility

This attitude and moral weakness is killing this country among other things
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That is not a "democrat" thing, yes some democrats do it, and the Rs do it to a lesser extent too. All political persuasions do so at some point and level.

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Spence....Petraeus sent 2 emails to the lady friend, they did not cause any damage, or any disaster....so Y is he punished and not her....I know Y, she is the Affluenza lady....

Petraeus shared his password with Broadwell (and she had a general security clearance)

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Well, except we are fairly certain that other foreign governments were reading the emails of the SECRETARY OF STATE.

We do know Russian hackers compromised state.gov.

What data makes you "fairly certain" that other foreign governments were in her server? Sounds like speculation.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

We do know Russian hackers compromised state.gov.

What data makes you "fairly certain" that other foreign governments were in her server? Sounds like speculation.

Did " the investigations " ever really get her server and all the purged emails ? There has to be plenty of emails between foreign governments and Hillary discussing donations to the foundation . Does that assumption make sense ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Spence....Petraeus sent 2 emails to the lady friend, they did not cause any damage, or any disaster....so Y is he punished and not her....I know Y, she is the Affluenza lady....

Petraeus knowingly disclosed classified information, it's completely different. Had the info become public he'd have done time.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Petraeus knowingly disclosed classified information, it's completely different. Had the info become public he'd have done time.

True, he knowingly shared classified stuff with someone he knew wasn't cleared.

But if she created a situation, where her staff knew that if they wanted her to review stuff she needed to see, that it would have to go to her personal server...and if she knew that some of the stuff sent to her personal server was going to be stuff that doesn't belong there...one might be able to make a compelling case of a crime.

She said she didn't want to be inconvenienced with carrying two devices, right? So how can she handle all that being President entails?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

True, he knowingly shared classified stuff with someone he knew wasn't cleared.

But if she created a situation, where her staff knew that if they wanted her to review stuff she needed to see, that it would have to go to her personal server...and if she knew that some of the stuff sent to her personal server was going to be stuff that doesn't belong there...one might be able to make a compelling case of a crime.

She said she didn't want to be inconvenienced with carrying two devices, right? So how can she handle all that being President entails?

How many times did you type " if " ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But if she created a situation, where her staff knew that if they wanted her to review stuff she needed to see, that it would have to go to her personal server...and if she knew that some of the stuff sent to her personal server was going to be stuff that doesn't belong there...one might be able to make a compelling case of a crime.

Jim, the rules regarding the handling of sensitive information were really no different between her personal server and a state.gov address which also is an unclassified system. You wouldn't knowingly put classified information on either...