Gaining traction?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Why? Because Europe is 20-30 years further down the political de-evolution wormhole?

Are you kidding? Their healthcare rocks. Education is great. Pay rates are better. Look at the standard of living charts for Sweden / Norway and then scroll down a long long ways down to find Murika where we have more children living in poverty than some 3rd world countries.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Are you kidding? Their healthcare rocks. Education is great. Pay rates are better. Look at the standard of living charts for Sweden / Norway and then scroll down a long long ways down to find Murika where we have more children living in poverty than some 3rd world countries.
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I love it when liberals point to Norway and Sweden as examples of "how socialism works".

Neither one of those countries has huge numbers of African Americans. Neither one of those countries has a huge, open border with Mexico. Nebe, those countries are very, very white. And they are pretty strict on immigration, especially Norway. And in the case of Norway, everyone has an oil well in their backyard.

So Norway is 99.99% white, everyone has an oil well, and they don't let anyone else in (these are slight exaggerations, but you get the point). And you think that because their system works in Norway, that means it would work equally well here?

Let's move the city of Chicago right into the center of Norway, then let's move Mexico to the southern border of Norway, and open that border. Then let's see what Norway looks like in 25 years.

Apples and oranges, Nebe. Apples and oranges.

We are a huge, open, diverse country. They are tiny, and ethnically homogenous. You want to have Norway's standard of living? Let's kick everyone out of America who isn't white, and put an oil well in everyone's backyard, and then seal our borders tight. Until you do that, you can't compare to Norway.

Here in America, we don't have a lot of poverty among our scandanavian immigrants, they do just fine. Our problems lie elsewhere, and those problems are unique to America, therefore they require a unique solution.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Let's kick everyone out of America who isn't white, and put an oil well in everyone's backyard, and then seal our borders tight.

So... you support Trump then

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So... you support Trump then

Nope, I think he's a vulgar buffoon.

I guess I didn't articulate that well. I am not endorsing those radical ideas. I am saying that you cannot look at a tiny, lilly white Scandanavian country with closed borders and abundant oil, and suggest that if socialism works there, it can therefore work here.

Our culture is just a wee bit different than Norway's culture, you see.

If you put a small number of ethnically homogeneous people on an island, seal it off, and then struck oil or gold on that island, it's not hard to have a high standard of living on that island. That doesn't mean that model works in America.

Imagine if the American liberals ran Norway. They'd open the borders in the name of inclusion, they'd destroy the oil wells in the name of climate change, and Norway would look like Somalia in a month.

Norway is a snow-white country whose entire economy depends on oil, and they allow almost no immigration. Yet liberals like to point to it a sa nation we should emulate. It's kind of funny when you think of it that way.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Nope, I think he's a vulgar buffoon

Watch the recent video of Trump calling Cruz a pu$$y. People want this man to be President...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Watch the recent video of Trump calling Cruz a pu$$y. People want this man to be President...

It's embarassing.

On your side, the heavy favorite denied that her husband cheated on her, but rather, was being framed by the GOP. She also claims to have come under sniper attack when no such thing happened.

Trump would appear to be a jerk. Hilary would appear to be either a serial liar, or a lunatic, take your pick.

Which is worse?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Nope, I think he's a vulgar buffoon.

I guess I didn't articulate that well. I am not endorsing those radical ideas. I am saying that you cannot look at a tiny, lilly white Scandanavian country with closed borders and abundant oil, and suggest that if socialism works there, it can therefore work here.

Our culture is just a wee bit different than Norway's culture, you see.

If you put a small number of ethnically homogeneous people on an island, seal it off, and then struck oil or gold on that island, it's not hard to have a high standard of living on that island. That doesn't mean that model works in America.

Imagine if the American liberals ran Norway. They'd open the borders in the name of inclusion, they'd destroy the oil wells in the name of climate change, and Norway would look like Somalia in a month.

Norway is a snow-white country whose entire economy depends on oil, and they allow almost no immigration. Yet liberals like to point to it a sa nation we should emulate. It's kind of funny when you think of it that way.

Jeezuz Jim... I put 50 smileys to show I was joking.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Jeezuz Jim... I put 50 smileys to show I was joking.

Well, actuaries are not exactly known for their sense of humor! And as a fairly consistent conservative, I wouldn't blame anyone for assuming I like Trump. I probably agree with him on more issues than I agree with Hilary, but he's too vulgar and bombastic for my taste.

Sorry.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Are you kidding? Their healthcare rocks. Education is great. Pay rates are better. Look at the standard of living charts for Sweden / Norway and then scroll down a long long ways down to find Murika where we have more children living in poverty than some 3rd world countries.
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You can't imagine what the influx of Syrian refugees has done to Sweden. A real shame for a a culture that is used to things going smoothly.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

You can't imagine what the influx of Syrian refugees has done to Sweden. A real shame for a a culture that is used to things going smoothly.
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Also true, and the native Swedes appear to have had it up to their eyeballs with the refugees and their absolute refusal to assimmilate.