Muslim Man VS Gun Range

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim these are not new problems terrorism ,Crime they have been around a very long time not just the last 8 year's...

But time and time again these things get packaged as if they showed up Since Obama? the right loves to blame progressives or liberals as if the Republicans have never held the Whitehouse or had any members in congress ...

Then every election cycle they regurgitate How weak we are How our military needs more how tough on crime they are ( currently we have the most combat experienced and ready Military in the world)

And the Democrats regurgitate there own BS as well how things in America are not fair .. Bla Bla Bla

The problem With America there Is no Middle no middle class ! no middle ground !
We have be come a country heading towards the class system ! you stay where you are born rich, middle class or poor ... The American Dream sadly is becoming more of a dream than an actual Concept for success ...

The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, the set of ideals (Democracy, Rights, Liberty, Opportunity, and Equality) in which freedom includes the opportunity for prosperity and success, and an upward social mobility for the family and children, achieved through hard work in a society with few barriers. In the definition of the American Dream by James Truslow Adams in 1931, "life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class or circumstances of birth.[1]

"time and time again these things get packaged as if they showed up Since Obama?"

I have never heard anyone say that either terrorism or street crime, originated under Obama. I will say that the policies Obama endorses, make both of those things worse. He inherited a stable Iraq, pulled out against the advice of many, which allowed ISIS to form, and now that region is far worse off than when he took office. As far as crime goes...we have newly elected liberal mayors in NYC and Chicago...and murders are through the roof. WDMSO, I follow the evidence, and I base my conclusions on evidence, and form my opinions on evidence. Most of our inner cities have been controlled by Democrats for 50 years. It's not working. Look at NYC. In the 1980's, it was a war zone. Rudy Guiliani gets elected, imposes conservative anti-crime principles, and we saw a huge drop in murders - a HUGE drop. Then they elect a liberal twit, who does away with everything Rudy did, and immediately, murders are way up. How else can those facts be interpreted, other than my conclusion that Rudy was right, and Deblasio was wrong? Please tell me, what other conclusion is there? Because I honestly don't get how anyone can deny the reality that's staring us in the face. It's not theory, we have actual, empirical evidence. If muderers went down under Deblasio, I would arrive at a different conclusion...but they didn't, they skyrocketed.

"the right loves to blame progressives or liberals "

I don't think conservatives are always right - not by a long shot. I am pro gay marriage, and I think we need more common sense inour gun laws - not more laws necessarily, but ones that make more sense.

Extremism exists on both sides, and is rarely productive.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

As far as crime goes...we have newly elected liberal mayors in NYC and Chicago...and murders are through the roof. WDMSO, I follow the evidence, and I base my conclusions on evidence, and form my opinions on evidence.

Here's some evidence Jim...

In 2014, De Blasio's first year as mayor there were 333 homicides in NYC, about the same number at the end of Bloomberg's stint.

In 2015 the number of homicides "went through the roof" with a recorded 339 homicides.

That's a YoY increase of .98%

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Here's some evidence Jim...

In 2014, De Blasio's first year as mayor there were 333 homicides in NYC, about the same number at the end of Bloomberg's stint.

In 2015 the number of homicides "went through the roof" with a recorded 339 homicides.

That's a YoY increase of .98%

Spence, I gotta tell you, I'd be a lot more inclined to respond to your posts, if you would shoe me the same courtesy, and explain why Hilary wasn't lying (as she claims she wasn't) when she said she came under sniper fire? if you won't respond, and we all see you won't, can you at least tell us why you won't respond? The woman just said on TV that she doen't believe she has ever told a lie.

In any event...in this article, which isn't exactly flattering to Rudy G, admits that when he was mayor, violent crime dropped by 56% in NYC...not bad.

http://www.businessinsider.com/criti...-theory-2013-8

And in this article, they say murder rates for 2015 (which wasn't final when the article was written) were upo 8% over 2014...

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/articl...s-his-analysis

Spence, can you name an urban city, long-controlled by Democrats, that's better off now than it was 50 years ago? Here in CT, I can point to New Haven, Hartford, and Bridgeport. All controlled exclusively by Democrats for 50 years, and all going right down the toilet. Maybe there's no correlation between th eparty in charge and the decline in thos eplaces. But maybe we can try something different, just to see.

Anyway, we all await your honest and thoughtful insight on Hilary's position that she has never told a lie...

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Anyway, we all await your honest and thoughtful insight on Hilary's position that she has never told a lie...

Why are you infatuated with Hillary Clinton? It's like, obsessive.

Fess up, I think you have a little Hillary shrine on a shelf on the office wall.