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Old 03-22-2016, 06:24 AM   #1
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I am surprised that something like that has not happeed here....think about it....U go to the airport with your luggage, go to check your suitcase in and get in security line with carry on or back pack, large crowd waiting in line....there is no security in that line....very easy to set off an explosion.

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I am surprised that something like that has not happeed here....think about it....U go to the airport with your luggage, go to check your suitcase in and get in security line with carry on or back pack, large crowd waiting in line....there is no security in that line....very easy to set off an explosion.
Agree. Fortunately the FBI, NSA, and local Law Enforecement have done a good job chasing leads and potential adversaries. Still, sadly, just a matter of time. Our people must be lucky all the time, ther bad guys, not so much

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I am surprised that something like that has not happeed here....think about it....U go to the airport with your luggage, go to check your suitcase in and get in security line with carry on or back pack, large crowd waiting in line....there is no security in that line....very easy to set off an explosion.
Remember also that once on airport property you're on dozens of cameras, unless it's a suicide attack the deterrent is there. If you're radicalized enough to kill yourself the odds of you being on a watch list go up also...so the number of unknown yet radicalized individuals is likely not a huge group. Remains to be seen how much trouble Europe is in right now...
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Remember also that once on airport property you're on dozens of cameras, unless it's a suicide attack the deterrent is there. If you're radicalized enough to kill yourself the odds of you being on a watch list go up also...so the number of unknown yet radicalized individuals is likely not a huge group. Remains to be seen how much trouble Europe is in right now...
They have a much larger percentage of Muslims then America does . Europe is in deep now .
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I can't believe I am going to say this and I don't agree with it but you will probably see internment camps in the future followed by massive deportations once the Syrian conflict settles down.

Key word here is probably which is a little more than might but a lot less than definite.
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Maybe we should follow the Israelis security system...but will americans put up with that tight security?

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I can't believe I am going to say this and I don't agree with it but you will probably see internment camps in the future followed by massive deportations once the Syrian conflict settles down.

Key word here is probably which is a little more than might but a lot less than definite.
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Actually, I am going to correct you, we will have Gitmo as long as it is necessary, we will hear the same government that uses it speak against it, and when that administration has gotten its usefulness from it, they will remove it at the last minute, and its utility, to the next administration.

If he closed it in his first couple years that is one thing, but if Obama waits until the last minute, that is just fraud.

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Have some of those released returned to become a threat ? Yes or no ?
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Actually, I am going to correct you, we will have Gitmo as long as it is necessary, we will hear the same government that uses it speak against it, and when that administration has gotten its usefulness from it, they will remove it at the last minute, and its utility, to the next administration.

If he closed it in his first couple years that is one thing, but if Obama waits until the last minute, that is just fraud.
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Right, because detaining and torturing so many was good PR.
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Right, because detaining and torturing so many was good PR.

What would you have done with them?

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No no. How about we bring back the gladiator matches ?? Feed them to the lions. Have it take place in the center of the nascar tracks. Yes!!!!
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Right, because detaining and torturing so many was good PR.
Is that what this is about ?
Answer the original question please !

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This is why Trump will be YOUR next president . The left can't make an intelligent argument . People are not buying the BS anymore .
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What would you have done with them?
They could have done more to address the issue in country. So many detainees were just rounded up and had no substantial connection to terrorism. Sort this out locally and you're going to get better intel from a more cooperative population. Get the number down to the few dozen that are a really connected to 9/11...why we went there to begin with and the situation is totally different.

Of course this would have taken more time and Bush Co. had other plans.
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They could have done more to address the issue in country. So many detainees were just rounded up and had no substantial connection to terrorism. Sort this out locally and you're going to get better intel from a more cooperative population. Get the number down to the few dozen that are a really connected to 9/11...why we went there to begin with and the situation is totally different.

Of course this would have taken more time and Bush Co. had other plans.
You need to get some reality into your thought process .
Not to be a pest , but since you fancy yourself a Gitmo psychologist could you answer my question from before ?
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You need to get some reality into your thought process .
Not to be a pest , but since you fancy yourself a Gitmo psychologist could you answer my question from before ?
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It's contextually not relevant. Your question was about closing GITMO, not what we could have done differently. i.e. they shouldn't have been there to begin with...

Besides, it's hardly a surprise that after being captured, shackled to the floor of a transport aircraft with a bag over your head, imprisoned and harshly interrogated for years...that some might leave with a slight grudge.
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It's contextually not relevant. Your question was about closing GITMO, not what we could have done differently. i.e. they shouldn't have been there to begin with...

Besides, it's hardly a surprise that after being captured, shackled to the floor of a transport aircraft with a bag over your head, imprisoned and harshly interrogated for years...that some might leave with a slight grudge.
Like John McCain? Breaking News .... They hate you because your free . An American and believe in someone besides Allah . These are not victims ! To be honest , I wouldn't loose to much sleep over what happens to them as long as their is zero chance of them ever harming anyone again .
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Like John McCain? Breaking News .... They hate you because your free . An American and believe in someone besides Allah . These are not victims ! To be honest , I wouldn't loose to much sleep over what happens to them as long as their is zero chance of them ever harming anyone again .
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Wrong. They hate spence because he doesn't believe in the same amaginary friend as they do. Freedom? They could not care less. God. They kill for God.
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Like John McCain? Breaking News .... They hate you because your free . An American and believe in someone besides Allah . These are not victims ! To be honest , I wouldn't loose to much sleep over what happens to them as long as their is zero chance of them ever harming anyone again .
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The "they hate us for our freedoms" line was rhetoric designed so people wouldn't challenge Bush's justification for war.

From Bin Laden's perspective 9/11 was about the US backing actors like Israel and the Saudi monarchy that had failed to serve the interests of Muslims...it was defensive not offensive.

Sorry but it didn't happen because we have gay rights and freedom fries.
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The "they hate us for our freedoms" line was rhetoric designed so people wouldn't challenge Bush's justification for war.

From Bin Laden's perspective 9/11 was about the US backing actors like Israel and the Saudi monarchy that had failed to serve the interests of Muslims...it was defensive not offensive.

Sorry but it didn't happen because we have gay rights and freedom fries.
Tell that to the many slaughtered gays and Christians . Besides ISiS wasn't even around when Bush was President .
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You're conflating events.
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Sadly the Violent minority is controlling the Narrative when it come to How Muslims are viewed ... The remainder have a choice to make and this choice needs to happen soon .. they need to choose a side they need to see them self's as Germans, Belgium , French or Americans 1st

THEY NEED TOO see themselves as Muslim 2nd and help purge theses scum from their ranks .. Because if they dont the tide will change and they will be swept aside and the extreme Muslims will have the war with the west they hoped for and the peaceful Muslim will pay the price ... from both sides ..

The fire is smoldering !!!
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Here's a genius idea...

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...rhoods-n543616

Certainly the best way to combat radicalization it to marginalize people because of their race/religion...I can't think of any better way to get more collaboration with the FBI and LPD...

And this is the number two, who can't be as idiotic as the number 1.

John Kasich is looking better and better every day.
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Sadly the Violent minority is controlling the Narrative when it come to How Muslims are viewed ... The remainder have a choice to make and this choice needs to happen soon .. they need to choose a side they need to see them self's as Germans, Belgium , French or Americans 1st

THEY NEED TOO see themselves as Muslim 2nd and help purge theses scum from their ranks .. Because if they dont the tide will change and they will be swept aside and the extreme Muslims will have the war with the west they hoped for and the peaceful Muslim will pay the price ... from both sides ..

The fire is smoldering !!!
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