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[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

your opinion of what is or is not prudent is of no concern of these terrorists, they flew planes into buildings but you are scared of candidates suggesting preventative measures. This is America, when threatened, we defend, that is what we do, this president won't go on offense apparently, he won't even say the words radical Islamic.

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

ISIS was begging the US to invade a few years ago. Had we done so the situation today would likely be 100x worse than it is. There's a reason we're not carpet bombing as Ted Cruz promises to do, because it would turn the entire population against us leave millions without any infrastructure in which to live.

The big pieces of this puzzle have been slowly moving in place for a century, there's no simple or quick solution. I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking...

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

ISIS was begging the US to invade a few years ago. Had we done so the situation today would likely be 100x worse than it is. There's a reason we're not carpet bombing as Ted Cruz promises to do, because it would turn the entire population against us leave millions without any infrastructure in which to live.

The big pieces of this puzzle have been slowly moving in place for a century, there's no simple or quick solution. I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking...

A result of this thoughtful approach is the refugee crisis and thousands slaughtered . Once again you blindly follow the script put fourth by an appeaser not a leader .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem.

"The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem"

And how is Obama's policy working out? Is the Middle East more stable, or less stable, than it was 7 years ago?

"I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking"

And I'm certain that comes as great comfort to the families of the victims in Belgium and France.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And how is Obama's policy working out? Is the Middle East more stable, or less stable, than it was 7 years ago?

I'm not sure your expectations are very realistic.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure your expectations are very realistic.

Oh, so if I expect him not to give away all the gains provided by The Surge, if I ask him just to maintain the status quo, that's asking too much. Turns out you are right, that would be asking way too much of this idiot.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure your expectations are very realistic.

So you are conceding (without saying it of course) that the Middle East is worse off now, than before the Messiah was coronated?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So you are conceding (without saying it of course) that the Middle East is worse off now, than before the Messiah was coronated?

I love theses statements ^^^^^^

Please provide us with a date and Time that the middle east hasn't been messed up in your eyes and pleases lets not go back 100 years to do it

Conservatives have the amazing ability to Blame Obama for anything that occurs in other sovereign countries or domestic . even a Supreme court justice nomination.... if Obama agrees with them!!! the'll just Blacktrack


blacktrack
black·track intransitive verb \’blak-,trak\

The act of changing your mind because President
Obama has agreed with you.
also see pulling a 1 hatey or the Kenyan boomerang

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Please provide us with a date and Time that the middle east hasn't been messed up in your eyes and pleases lets not go back 100 years to do it

Remember, some of these guys can't see beyond their noses. If there's a cold day in June then climate change isn't real right?

It's no wonder Trump is winning the GOP nomination right now.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Remember, some of these guys can't see beyond their noses. If there's a cold day in June then climate change isn't real right?

It's no wonder Trump is winning the GOP nomination right now.

Yea cause you must be beaming over your candidate .
If there's a hurricane in Sept it must be climate change . We never had bad weather before fossil fuels .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Remember, some of these guys can't see beyond their noses. If there's a cold day in June then climate change isn't real right?

It's no wonder Trump is winning the GOP nomination right now.

This from the guy who said it's an "improvement" to take self-determination away from registered Democrats, in th eevent that they choose something other than what the party leaders want.

"If there's a cold day in June then climate change isn't real right?"

You never, ever see me saying anyhting that stupid. But when every single prediction made by the climate-change hysterics proves to be 100% false, any rational person would question the accuracy of their models. Not suprising that the guy who doesn't trust registered democrats to pick a candidate, doesn't think they should be able to decide if they have the right to turn on the air conditioner.

How long of a list would you like, of predictions that climate chnge fanatics made, that didn't come true? If they were right, North Dakota would be exporting pineapples by now. If they were wrong about all that, perhaps they were wrong about other things. That's all I am saying.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I love theses statements ^^^^^^

Please provide us with a date and Time that the middle east hasn't been messed up in your eyes and pleases lets not go back 100 years to do it

Conservatives have the amazing ability to Blame Obama for anything that occurs in other sovereign countries or domestic . even a Supreme court justice nomination.... if Obama agrees with them!!! the'll just Blacktrack


blacktrack
black·track intransitive verb \’blak-,trak\

The act of changing your mind because President
Obama has agreed with you.
also see pulling a 1 hatey or the Kenyan boomerang

"Please provide us with a date and Time that the middle east hasn't been messed up in your eyes "

Once again, instead of respondong to what I actually said, you claimed that I said something else, something not even close to what I actually said.

I never, ever said the Middle Eastern wasn't messed up. I said it was better on January 1 2008, than it is now. Before Obama got elected, Iraq had free, stable elections. The jihadists were decimated. I am sorry if that history lesson doesn't make Obama look swell. But that's what Iraq looked like when he took office.
After he withdrew, much of the territory we took during the Surge, was overtaken by ISIS.

WDMSO, is that true, or not?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Please provide us with a date and Time that the middle east hasn't been messed up in your eyes "

Once again, instead of respondong to what I actually said, you claimed that I said something else, something not even close to what I actually said.

I never, ever said the Middle Eastern wasn't messed up. I said it was better on January 1 2008, than it is now. Before Obama got elected, Iraq had free, stable elections. The jihadists were decimated. I am sorry if that history lesson doesn't make Obama look swell. But that's what Iraq looked like when he took office.
After he withdrew, much of the territory we took during the Surge, was overtaken by ISIS.

WDMSO, is that true, or not?

not true.. the elections were only free and stable because we had boots on the ground I was there ... when we left as we should have.. the elections weren't stable they went back to shia vs sunni .. the Jihadist were not decimated the ones in Sunni Iraq Al Anbar Sunnis just blended in and when the sunni replacement for al qaeda aka ISIS they re emerged in Al Anbar province .( we didnt loose any ground it happen under sovereign Nation the Iraqis lost it not the USA mostly because the Shia central government did not engage in reconciliation and the it was still an active hot spot for jihadist close to Syria where most of the Jihadist crossed into Iraq to fight us .. sadly your history is not history but rather revisionist history lacking the whole story to suit your argument .. that all the problems in the world have been the cause of 1 man the POTUS.. and that alone shows the inability for you to discus objectively and rationally anything that involves Obama

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure your expectations are very realistic.

We really can't lower the bar anymore Spence .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

We really can't lower the bar anymore Spence .
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Correct. Even Hilary, especially if Bill is giving her any advice, would be an improvement.

Obama...always wrong, yet never in doubt.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

"So, we blame ourselves in order to remain blameless. Safer to blame our own societies and socioeconomic conditions than to blame the religious and cultural concepts with which terrorists poison their own minds."

http://www.politico.eu/article/bruss...airport-metro/

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

"So, we blame ourselves in order to remain blameless. Safer to blame our own societies and socioeconomic conditions than to blame the religious and cultural concepts with which terrorists poison their own minds."

http://www.politico.eu/article/bruss...airport-metro/

To cherry pick one issue out the the many reasons that extremist find followers is a cop out for both sides.. there is a religious component and societies and socioeconomic conditions in the development of terrorism

one of the Belgium guys went from from barkeeper to suicide bomber
There is a seeming disconnect between the ownership by Muslims - whose religion forbids the use of alcohol and tobacco - of a bar, where drugs were being dealt, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fr...0T52RH20151117

Its not easy to find One flea on a big hairy dog But when you do look harder you'll find others

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

To cherry pick one issue out the the many reasons that extremist find followers is a cop out for both sides..

who did that?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

who did that?

As I said Both sides

[scottw]

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Originally Posted by wdmso View Post

To cherry pick one issue out the the many reasons that extremist find followers is a cop out for both sides.


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who did that?

Originally Posted by wdmso

As I said Both sides

can you give an example?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdmso View Post

To cherry pick one issue out the the many reasons that extremist find followers is a cop out for both sides.


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Originally Posted by scottw View Post
who did that?




can you give an example?

Not sure Who are the who your referring to ?? to provide the example your looking for ... are you saying both sides of the argument what creates extremism and what makes a person a terrorist? dont cherry pick their position I see 3 camps

1st .. Just blame our own societies and socioeconomic conditions

2nd Just blame the religion and cultural concepts

3rd this one isn't talked about much but is closer to the reason we have terrorism

it's societies and socioeconomic conditions and religious and cultural concepts that drive extremism one wont stand with out the other