Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

     

Left Nav S-B Home FAQ Members List S-B on Facebook Arcade WEAX Tides Buoys Calendar Today's Posts Right Nav

Left Container Right Container
 

Go Back   Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating » Striper Chat - Discuss stuff other than fishing ~ The Scuppers and Political talk » Political Threads

Political Threads This section is for Political Threads - Enter at your own risk. If you say you don't want to see what someone posts - don't read it :hihi:

 
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 04-11-2016, 10:52 AM   #91
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman View Post
I keep saying this....she was SecState....every piece of communication she received should be treated, at the very least, as unclassified but sensitive. Even a lunch date with someone shows the movement of the 5th highest official in the United States. Total disregard on her part for securing her communications

So she's either to big of a liar to be president or to stupid to be president.....it's one or the other.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Then why not issue her a secure blackberry? From what we know right now the emails on her sever were safer than the ones on state.gov
spence is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 10:59 AM   #92
Nebe
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Nebe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Libtardia
Posts: 21,591
http://www.investors.com/politics/ca...e-did-legally/

And then there is this.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Nebe is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 11:08 AM   #93
buckman
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
buckman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 4,834
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Then why not issue her a secure blackberry? From what we know right now the emails on her sever were safer than the ones on state.gov
She didn't want the blackBerry. Remember she want to carry too many devices ? Lmao she's an idiot
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
buckman is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 11:17 AM   #94
ecduzitgood
time to go
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,318
http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/04/famous...hillary-probe/
I don't remember if this was brought up here but it seems as though it should be.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
ecduzitgood is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 11:36 AM   #95
Nebe
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Nebe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Libtardia
Posts: 21,591
"I used to read her emails for hours and then garden".

I'd be reading the emails and day trading.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Nebe is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 12:15 PM   #96
ecduzitgood
time to go
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,318
And I suppose we can expect more of this since both Hillary and Bernie Sanders want amnesty for illegal aliens.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/12....html?referer=
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
ecduzitgood is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 12:37 PM   #97
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe View Post
http://www.investors.com/politics/ca...e-did-legally/

And then there is this.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
It's just shocking that the State Department would help large US businesses navigate trade issues with foreign governments isn't it?
spence is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 12:46 PM   #98
detbuch
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 7,688
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
It's just shocking that the State Department would help large US businesses navigate trade issues with foreign governments isn't it?
As the article points out, that is called crony capitalism. Something Hillary is so much against, and which she promises to clean up. And what's even more smelly is the money Corning donated to Hilary and to her foundation. Not illegal. But . . . remember, Spence . . . the smell test. Your beloved smell test. Do you detect a stink there, Spence?
detbuch is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 01:00 PM   #99
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
As the article points out, that is called crony capitalism. Something Hillary is so much against, and which she promises to clean up. And what's even more smelly is the money Corning donated to Hilary and to her foundation. Not illegal. But . . . remember, Spence . . . the smell test. Your beloved smell test. Do you detect a stink there, Spence?
Not based on that information alone. It's no secret that as NY Senator Clinton developed a good relationship with Corning which actually was part of her job. If it's crony capitalism or not would really depend on the dynamics of the relationship.

If Clinton's back is scratched for helping Corning with funding or a trade issue that's beneficial for the US economy or workers, that's not the same thing as routing tax dollars for weapons the DoD doesn't want or a bridge to nowhere...

It's also wrong to assume that just because money is changing there's an under the table deal in play. Often the business interest who's working the hardest to educate the legislator will shape their opinion and certainly gain influence.

I'd note that as Sec State she helped other big US businesses beyond Corning.
spence is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 01:16 PM   #100
scottw
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
scottw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,632
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Not based on that information alone. It's no secret that as NY Senator Clinton developed a good relationship with Corning which actually was part of her job. If it's crony capitalism or not would really depend on the dynamics of the relationship.

If Clinton's back is scratched for helping Corning with funding or a trade issue that's beneficial for the US economy or workers, that's not the same thing as routing tax dollars for weapons the DoD doesn't want or a bridge to nowhere...

It's also wrong to assume that just because money is changing there's an under the table deal in play. Often the business interest who's working the hardest to educate the legislator will shape their opinion and certainly gain influence.

I'd note that as Sec State she helped other big US businesses beyond Corning.
that's a steaming pile
scottw is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 02:06 PM   #101
The Dad Fisherman
Super Moderator
iTrader: (0)
 
The Dad Fisherman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Then why not issue her a secure blackberry? From what we know right now the emails on her sever were safer than the ones on state.gov
So her convenience comes before security....

Again.....too big of a liar or too stupid????
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
The Dad Fisherman is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 02:07 PM   #102
The Dad Fisherman
Super Moderator
iTrader: (0)
 
The Dad Fisherman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by buckman View Post
She didn't want the blackBerry. Remember she want to carry too many devices ? Lmao she's an idiot
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
That's one check mark in the "Too Stupid" column
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
The Dad Fisherman is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 02:09 PM   #103
Nebe
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Nebe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Libtardia
Posts: 21,591
I'm sure she has multiple devices in the back of her sock drawer
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Nebe is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 03:09 PM   #104
detbuch
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 7,688
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Not based on that information alone.

Aha . . . the Clintonesque parsing of words . . .

It's no secret that as NY Senator Clinton developed a good relationship with Corning which actually was part of her job.

Oh, really? It's a Senator's job to develop relationships with individual businesses in their State? Did she touch base with all the mom and pop stores in NY? Or all the other businesses? Did she develop better "relationships" with businesses which didn't contribute money to her?

If it's crony capitalism or not would really depend on the dynamics of the relationship.

It's crony CAPITALISM. It's about capital, about money. Giving money for influence and favors and advantage over competitors. Getting money to pay for acquisition of power. Returning favors, influence, and privilege in order to maintain power. You know . . . the everyday politics which drives our oligarchic system of "relationships" between BIG business and BIG government. That's the type of "dynamic" that voters, with at least a marginal awareness of how we are ruled, are angry about. And Hillary is good at preaching what she will do for the little guy while she gets her back scratched by the big guys.

If Clinton's back is scratched for helping Corning with funding or a trade issue that's beneficial for the US economy Corning which was a big contributor to HIllary's political campaigns and her foundation or its workers, that's not the same thing as routing tax dollars for weapons the DoD doesn't want or a bridge to nowhere... No, not the"same" kind of cronyism, just one of the different kinds.

It's also wrong to assume that just because money is changing there's an under the table deal in play.

And it's wrong to assume that there isn't.

Often the business interest who's working the hardest by paying the most to educate the legislator will shape their opinion and certainly gain influence.

Yup, gaining influence. That's one of the purposes of crony capitalism.

I'd note that as Sec State she helped other big US businesses beyond Corning.
I'd note that our political oligarchs need to "help" more than one "big" business. The more they "help," the more they can entrench their power.
detbuch is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 03:19 PM   #105
The Dad Fisherman
Super Moderator
iTrader: (0)
 
The Dad Fisherman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe View Post
I'm sure she has multiple devices in the back of her sock drawer
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
I wonder if she keeps them in a cigar box
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
The Dad Fisherman is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 04:07 PM   #106
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/0...proval-rating/
spence is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 04:16 PM   #107
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman View Post
So her convenience comes before security....
I'm sure she had people telling her it was ok. She's not an expert and wouldn't have moved forward without at least legal council doing a review. Again, this was before they changed the policy...

Seems like this is one that slipped through the cracks. Doesn't appear to be mal intent, nobody was hurt that we know of, what's the problem again?
spence is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 04:28 PM   #108
Sea Dangles
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Sea Dangles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
The problem is your candidate is a poor decision maker. This is really not up for debate, it just happens to be highlighted due to the fact she is running for president. Other than that Mrs Lincoln,did you enjoy the play?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Sea Dangles is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 04:49 PM   #109
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles View Post
The problem is your candidate is a poor decision maker. This is really not up for debate, it just happens to be highlighted due to the fact she is running for president. Other than that Mrs Lincoln,did you enjoy the play?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Considering her lengthy and impressive resume, to call out an issue over email hosting as a definitive measure is pretty insignificant and trite.
spence is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 07:21 PM   #110
Sea Dangles
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Sea Dangles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
Jeff, you are on the Hillary bandwagon regardless of the shortcomings. You have zero credibility when it comes to evaluating her accomplishments. Picture Slip as a line judge for a Pats game and you may understand my point more clearly. I am guessing Hillary could eat your young and you would grant her a pardon.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Sea Dangles is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 07:47 PM   #111
The Dad Fisherman
Super Moderator
iTrader: (0)
 
The Dad Fisherman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
I'm sure she had people telling her it was ok. She's not an expert and wouldn't have moved forward without at least legal council doing a review. Again, this was before they changed the policy...

Seems like this is one that slipped through the cracks. Doesn't appear to be mal intent, nobody was hurt that we know of, what's the problem again?
....and there's another check mark in the "Too Stupid" column.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
The Dad Fisherman is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 08:05 PM   #112
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman View Post
....and there's another check mark in the "Too Stupid" column.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
With that criteria you'd invalidate anyone from running for POTUS.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
spence is offline  
Old 04-11-2016, 09:50 PM   #113
Slipknot
Super Moderator
iTrader: (0)
 
Slipknot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Middleboro MA
Posts: 17,123
I'd make a Great line judge, I would eject Rex Ryan in the first quarter for sure

The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.

1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!

It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
Slipknot is offline  
Old 04-12-2016, 07:57 AM   #114
The Dad Fisherman
Super Moderator
iTrader: (0)
 
The Dad Fisherman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
With that criteria you'd invalidate anyone from running for POTUS.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
With this years crop of candidates.....absolutely
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
The Dad Fisherman is offline  
Old 04-13-2016, 07:20 AM   #115
JohnR
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
iTrader: (1)
 
JohnR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,134
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Then why not issue her a secure blackberry? From what we know right now the emails on her sever were safer than the ones on state.gov
No. The secure emails on the state secure system were far more secure than on sec.state.bathroom

Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
If it's crony capitalism or not would really depend on the dynamics of the relationship.
Hmmm, Solyndra concurs

Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
In 2013 when this was written, only a handful of folks knew about her server (well, plus the Russians, Chinese, Israelis, NORKS, Germans, Iran, and other competent intelligence services)



Quote:
Originally Posted by Slipknot View Post
I'd make a Great line judge, I would eject Rex Ryan in the first quarter for sure
Hahaha

~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~

Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers


Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.


Apocalypse is Coming:
JohnR is offline  
Old 04-13-2016, 07:39 AM   #116
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles View Post
You have zero credibility when it comes to evaluating her accomplishments.
Please expand.
spence is offline  
Old 04-13-2016, 07:39 AM   #117
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
No. The secure emails on the state secure system were far more secure than on sec.state.bathroom
We know that state.gov was hacked. No evidence her private server was to date...
spence is offline  
Old 04-13-2016, 07:50 AM   #118
The Dad Fisherman
Super Moderator
iTrader: (0)
 
The Dad Fisherman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
We know that state.gov was hacked. No evidence her private server was to date...
Pretty hard to determine if a system was hacked when there is nothing in place to monitor for it.

Part of the safeguards in place on the government systems is the actual ability to determine that something has happened.

Little things like IDS, Baselining, and log collection and review are a couple that were lacking in her case.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
The Dad Fisherman is offline  
Old 04-13-2016, 08:40 AM   #119
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,435
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Please expand.
For starters, you don't think she lied about coming under sniper fire. Let's say you are a wee bit hesitant to be critical of those you adore.
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 04-13-2016, 09:31 AM   #120
Sea Dangles
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Sea Dangles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Please expand.
Softball?
You are Hillarys lackey Jeff. Apologist,need I go on. I honestly think you would hand wash her underpants. You can not evaluate her with clarity and you have proven that countless times.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
Sea Dangles is offline  
 

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Please use all necessary and proper safety precautions. STAY SAFE Striper Talk Forums
Copyright 1998-20012 Striped-Bass.com