NC bathroom law

[Jim in CT]

Spence, maybe you'll tell us that the World Health Organization doesn't know as much about this stuff as some gay rights group, but here's some pudding that's just chock full of truth. You will find it to be inconvenient truthm, and thus not to be accepted, but try telling a scientist that it's not chromosomes that determine your sex...

"Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex"

http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

Also..."Gender, typically described in terms of masculinity and femininity, is a social construction that varies across different cultures and over time"

Gender is what you are referring to, which I guess can be said to be interchangeable. Not biological sex. And when one goes into a public restroom, it's (hopefully) not to engage in a social experiment, but rather to take care of a biological function. That used to be a simple, non-controversial topic. Not anymore. Unbelievable.

Enjoy that pudding.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Also..."Gender, typically described in terms of masculinity and femininity, is a social construction that varies across different cultures and over time"

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

God help you down south.

Is this what you want your son walking into when he goes to the public restroom?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

God help you down south.

Is this what you want your son walking into when he goes to the public restroom?

That's not a transgender either !
That's not what this law is about .
This will allow you to use a woman's bathroom if you have a penis and are heterosexual but identify as a women .
Like Bruce Jenner
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

That's not a transgender either !
That's not what this law is about .
This will allow you to use a woman's bathroom if you have a penis and are heterosexual but identify as a women .
Like Bruce Jenner
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It is what these laws are about...it's everything.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

It is what these laws are about...it's everything.

Except the feelings of those that expect privacy and normalcy
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by buckman

Except the feelings of those that expect privacy and normalcy
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How much privacy should one expect in a public rest room or locker room? like they are in their Home??
most women locker rooms and bathroom i've seen have individual showers and stalls unlike mens gang showers in locker rooms

so you all want transgender dressed like a women who hasn't had a sex but looks and acts female and most wouldn't know the difference unless you got real close or looked under the hood to walk into a mens rest room or locker room and expect no one would notice? and that person would feel 100% comfortable along with the other men

But locker room have gay men and women mixed in you think they are not meat gazing ?? we add to the bathroom Law's

FYI freaks all ready exist this law wont increase them

[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

How much privacy should one expect in a public rest room or locker room? like they are in their Home??
most women locker rooms and bathroom i've seen have individual showers and stalls unlike mens gang showers in locker rooms

so you all want transgender dressed like a women who hasn't had a sex but looks and acts female and most wouldn't know the difference unless you got real close or looked under the hood to walk into a mens rest room or locker room and expect no one would notice? and that person would feel 100% comfortable along with the other men

But locker room have gay men and women mixed in you think they are not meat gazing ?? we add to the bathroom Law's

FYI freaks all ready exist this law wont increase them

I clearly haven't given this as much thought as you .
I just wouldn't want my granddaughter to use a bathroom and have a drag queen heterosexual male using the stall next to her . Is that too much to ask or do I now have to accompany her in the bathroom if I see a male version of Hillary Clinton follow her in ?
FYI tolerance and acceptance does increase that which was previously not tolerated . It's human nature .
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

Key phrase there is have your genitalia reworked.....if you can still write your name in the snow, you're a dude.....enjoy the use of the urinals.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Key phrase there is have your genitalia reworked.....if you can still write your name in the snow, you're a dude.....enjoy the use of the urinals.
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Or if you're born a woman but look like a man be forced to walk into the ladies room, feel like an idiot and scare the crap out of the women.

Nice...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Or if you're born a woman but look like a man be forced to walk into the ladies room, feel like an idiot and scare the crap out of the women.

Nice...

Well . . . for those who are in there for a crap, but having trouble moving it, this would be a good thing.

Or, if your born with a male body . . . you know, a wee wee and such . . . and you go into a men's bathroom, no one will have his crap affected.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Or if you're born a woman but look like a man be forced to walk into the ladies room, feel like an idiot and scare the crap out of the women.

Nice...

Nobody feels uncomfortable in their locker room.....good news is they are off to States....

[scottw]

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/05/17/s...-room-in-ross/

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

God help you down south.

Is this what you want your son walking into when he goes to the public restroom?

In what context would you want your son walking into this?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

God help you down south.

Is this what you want your son walking into when he goes to the public restroom?

It's this simple...you can do all those things, but YOU ARE STILL A MAN. Your chromosomes say you are a man.

And what none of you has touched upon, presumably because you can't argue that I'm wrong, is this...if you open up the ladies room to men who are trans, you cannot then prevent perverts and voyers from saying they are a tran, simply to gain access to the ladies rooms. So, regrettably, a small number of trans might have to be inconvenienced, to safeguard the privacy/safety of everyone else. We all have to make sacrifices for others.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And what none of you has touched upon, presumably because you can't argue that I'm wrong, is this...if you open up the ladies room to men who are trans, you cannot then prevent perverts and voyers from saying they are a tran, simply to gain access to the ladies rooms. So, regrettably, a small number of trans might have to be inconvenienced, to safeguard the privacy/safety of everyone else. We all have to make sacrifices for others.

Jim, as you're a facts sort of guy try and find some that back up your assertion. You'll find plenty about how transgender people are harassed today and scant if any evidence these laws have been a problem in states where they've been implemented.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, as you're a facts sort of guy try and find some that back up your assertion. You'll find plenty about how transgender people are harassed today and scant if any evidence these laws have been a problem in states where they've been implemented.

We talked about this. I googled 'woman assualted in restroom', and I got pages and pages of news stories. Opening up the ladies room to anyone who fancies going in there, increases the likelihood of these incidents. All you can do to respond, is offer vague denials that it happens. So clearly you ar enot a 'facts' kind of guy, unless the facts happen to support your agenda.

I have no doubt trannies get harassed in the mens room. It's not a perfect workd. We need to find the solution that stinks for the fewest number of people, and using that as a barometer, it's obvious.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We talked about this. I googled 'woman assualted in restroom', and I got pages and pages of news stories. Opening up the ladies room to anyone who fancies going in there, increases the likelihood of these incidents.

If that was the case then there would be police records of increased incidences in states with anti-discriminatory laws...

...but there isn't.

I'd wager that the type of law NC put through would actually create a lot more harassment.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If that was the case then there would be police records of increased incidences in states with anti-discriminatory laws...

...but there isn't.

I'd wager that the type of law NC put through would actually create a lot more harassment.

Let's be very clear on this (you don't like that, but let's try)...

You deny that opening up the ladies room to any man who want sto go in there, makes it easier for perverts to get in there? You deny that? Be very specific...

Many women doen't like the idea, Spence. Do they not have the right to feel secure in there.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

You'll find plenty about how transgender people are harassed today and scant if any evidence these laws have been a problem in states where they've been implemented.

You can't legislate tolerance and acceptance.......#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s come in all shapes, sizes, and sexes......
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

God help you down south.

?

Yeah, which is why they cannot build houses fast enough in places like NC, SC, TN, GA. And who is moving there? Young kids from New England, who graduate college and can't get down there fast enough.