NC bathroom law

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

This last point in particular raises the largest of theological questions. If Christians really believe every person is created in the image of God, how can we damn a baby who comes from the womb with gender dysphoria? My pediatrician friend puts it this way: “We must believe that even if some people got a lower dose of a chromosome, or an enzyme, or a hormonal effect, that does not mean that they got a lower dose of God’s image.”

Who the heck is damning a baby? If I say "those born with a wee-wee, use the mens room", that is tantamount to condemning babies? This is what liberals do. Instead of responding to what a conservative is saying, they respond to something (evil sounding) that no one ever said. And that's why we are talking about Donald Trump right now, because people are sick of that tactic.

Where in your article does it say, how we prevent true predators from using liberal bathroom policies, to gain access to the ladies room? What's to stop Willie Horton from saying "I am transgender, now please excuse me while I follow your 12 year-old daughter into the ladies room"?

How come no one addresses that? Because that's almost all that matters here. Spence tried to say that states with open bathroom access have seen no spike in these crimes. But (1) he provided no data to support that, and (2) this is a brand-new thing, so obviously we haven't seen the effects yet, and (3) common sense tells me that you cannot open up the ladies room to trannys, without making it easier for perverts to also get in., Are we going to make all men pass a polygraph test before they go into the ladies room, to make sure they are a tranny? Unless we are doing that, how can this idiotic policy not endanger all women?

[Slipknot]

It doesn't that and I never said it did
No one is condemning babies, that is just your over reaction. I didn't write it.
I get what you are saying about the tactic
It doesn't talk about how to prevent that and the legislatures who write these laws are the ones who should be the ones to cover all bases, that is their jobs. I suggest you write your legislatures and not on a fishing forum political forum.
People besides you do address that

How about in NC , are you supposed to come to the bathroom with your birth certificate to show you were born what it says on the door?

I am not a liberal Jim, but I know intolerance when I see it

If women are afraid of Willie Horton going in their bathroom and being threatened, I am pretty sure some law allowing transgendered to use it does not allow predators to commit crimes, so again, address the issue with your legislature, obviously the people in NC must have since they got something done to cause all this fuss over a bathroom. I suggest they carry mace or pepper spray. There are lots of sickos out there.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

It doesn't that and I never said it did
No one is condemning babies, that is just your over reaction. I didn't write it.
I get what you are saying about the tactic
It doesn't talk about how to prevent that and the legislatures who write these laws are the ones who should be the ones to cover all bases, that is their jobs. I suggest you write your legislatures and not on a fishing forum political forum.
People besides you do address that

How about in NC , are you supposed to come to the bathroom with your birth certificate to show you were born what it says on the door?

I am not a liberal Jim, but I know intolerance when I see it

If women are afraid of Willie Horton going in their bathroom and being threatened, I am pretty sure some law allowing transgendered to use it does not allow predators to commit crimes, so again, address the issue with your legislature, obviously the people in NC must have since they got something done to cause all this fuss over a bathroom. I suggest they carry mace or pepper spray. There are lots of sickos out there.

"No one is condemning babies, that is just your over reaction. I didn't write it."

Here's what I was responding to..."how can we damn a baby who comes from the womb with gender dysphoria?"

"It doesn't talk about how to prevent that and the legislatures who write these laws are the ones who should be the ones to cover all bases, that is their jobs. "

IT CANNOT BE PREVENTED. Unfortunately, the predators don't walk around wearing signs. Therefore there is no conceivable way to differentiate between (1) a true transgender, and (2) a predator who claims to be transgender, just to get easier access to the ladies room. You cannot grasp that? Really?

"How about in NC , are you supposed to come to the bathroom with your birth certificate to show you were born what it says on the door?"

God. we all know what sex we were born (most of us at least). So if we make it illegal for men to use the ladies room (shocking, I know), fewer will do it. It doesn't stop all predators from going into the ladies room, but it makes it harder.

"I am not a liberal Jim, but I know intolerance when I see it"

Apparently not, because it's not intolerant. Slipknot, if I said I was a bird instead of a human being (which is no more or less incorrect than if I said I was a woman), does that mean I can poop on your windshield? If your answer is "no", does that make you intolerant? Not every single human impulse needs to be celebrated.

"I am pretty sure some law allowing transgendered to use it does not allow predators to commit crimes"

You are refusing to concede the obvious - that the liberal policy would make it easier for a pervert to walk in there. It doesn't allow the crime, but it sure makes it easier.

"obviously the people in NC must have since they got something done"

Correct. And that's called democracy. But Obama only likes democracy when it works for him, so he is violating the constitution (which gives the federal government exactly ZERO authority to regulate gender identity issues) and threaten the citizens of NC with forfeiture of federal funds. THAT is called fascism.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I am not a liberal Jim, but I know intolerance when I see it"

Apparently not, because it's not intolerant. Slipknot, if I said I was a bird instead of a human being (which is no more or less incorrect than if I said I was a woman), does that mean I can poop on your windshield? If your answer is "no", does that make you intolerant? Not every single human impulse needs to be celebrated.

Jim, you're falling back on the same failed logic opponents of same sex marriage used for decades...if you let two gay people marry it's anything goes.

There are plenty of states with anti-discrimination laws and you can't cite any meaningful increase in complaints. Rather, your position is simply being informed by your bias which if enacted into law conflicts with some people's civil rights...

I am not a liberal Jim, but I know intolerance when I see it

-Slipnot

Yep.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, you're falling back on the same failed logic opponents of same sex marriage used for decades...if you let two gay people marry it's anything goes.

There are plenty of states with anti-discrimination laws and you can't cite any meaningful increase in complaints. Rather, your position is simply being informed by your bias which if enacted into law conflicts with some people's civil rights...



Yep.

"Jim, you're falling back on the same failed logic opponents of same sex marriage used for decades...if you let two gay people marry it's anything goes"

Where to begin.

(1) gay marriage is brand new, so no one can say i fit will lead to "anything goes" yet. However, if the notion that the sexes is arbitrary, why can't I say that it being limited to 2 people, is also arbitrary? There isn't a single arguent you can make in favor of gay marriage, that can not also be made in favor of polygamy (I support gay marriage, however).

(2) if someone who is gay claims to be gay, they are not claiming to be something they are not. When a man claims to be a woman, he is as wrong as I would be if I said I was a bird. You cannot choose to change your chromosomes.

"There are plenty of states with anti-discrimination laws and you can't cite any meaningful increase in complaints"

Nor can you refute it. Please tell me where I am wrong, when I say that these laws make it easier for perverts to stroll in there. It's way too new to have any visible effect on data. We weren't talking about this 2 years ago.

"Rather, your position is simply being informed by your bias"

Not bias. Common sense. I have deep empathy for these people and want them to be happy.

"which if enacted into law conflicts with some people's civil rights..."

100%, demonstrably false. Read the Civil Rights Act, and please tell us where you see a single syllable about gender identity. It prevents discrimination based on "sex". As I showed you in an earlier post, one's sex is determined at birth (maybe at conception?) by thje chromosomes., and that never changes.