Obama's VA Secretary says wait lines at VA Hosp are like wait lines at Disney

[wdmso]

funny I have had no issues with getting timely appointments thru the Va in Providence or Boston from MRI to Hearing Aids .. I just see this as another Manufactured issue from the right .. just another topic that magically showed up when Obama took office..

Are there some issues with the Volumes of service members entering the system yes . but you can't fit 100 passengers on a 25 passenger bus but dont want to buy new buses


http://taskandpurpose.com/va-bosses-...g-new-reports/

Altogether, 40 VA hospitals and clinics across the U.S. and Puerto Rico were found to be “zeroing out” wait times

The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) is home to the United States' largest integrated health care system consisting of 152 medical centers. In addition, there are nearly 800 community-based outpatient clinics, 126 nursing home care units and 35 domiciliaries.

So you have to wait you learn in the military it always Hurry up and Wait.. honestly who hasn't waited for an appointment.. if its an emergency you go to the emergency room... not any easier than that

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

funny I have had no issues with getting timely appointments thru the Va in Providence or Boston from MRI to Hearing Aids .. I just see this as another Manufactured issue from the right .. just another topic that magically showed up when Obama took office..

Are there some issues with the Volumes of service members entering the system yes . but you can't fit 100 passengers on a 25 passenger bus but dont want to buy new buses


http://taskandpurpose.com/va-bosses-...g-new-reports/

Altogether, 40 VA hospitals and clinics across the U.S. and Puerto Rico were found to be “zeroing out” wait times

The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) is home to the United States' largest integrated health care system consisting of 152 medical centers. In addition, there are nearly 800 community-based outpatient clinics, 126 nursing home care units and 35 domiciliaries.

So you have to wait you learn in the military it always Hurry up and Wait.. honestly who hasn't waited for an appointment.. if its an emergency you go to the emergency room... not any easier than that

"I have had no issues "


Hmm, how to break this to you...your experience doesn't necessarily reflect the experience of everyone else. For example, I didn't get hit by a drunk driver yesterday. Does that mean that drunk driving is a manufactured issue? Does that sound like sound logic to you?

"I just see this as another Manufactured issue from the right "

Well, that explains why the right-wing nut named Barack Obama, is quoted in the right-wing website called The Huffington Post, as saying there actually is an issue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6867142.html

"who hasn't waited for an appointment"

People have died while waiting. If that's not an issue for you, you have the right to not care about that. Lots of people, on both sides, are outraged.

Another article from the right-wing network called CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/health...ays/index.html

From the article..."The secret list was part of an elaborate scheme designed by Veterans Affairs managers in Phoenix who were trying to hide that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor"

And somehow, the Secretary of Vets Affairs say that this practice is no more of a blemish to his organization than ride lines are at Disney.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I have had no issues "


Hmm, how to break this to you...your experience doesn't necessarily reflect the experience of everyone else. For example, I didn't get hit by a drunk driver yesterday. Does that mean that drunk driving is a manufactured issue? Does that sound like sound logic to you?

"I just see this as another Manufactured issue from the right "

Well, that explains why the right-wing nut named Barack Obama, is quoted in the right-wing website called The Huffington Post, as saying there actually is an issue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6867142.html

"who hasn't waited for an appointment"

People have died while waiting. If that's not an issue for you, you have the right to not care about that. Lots of people, on both sides, are outraged.

Another article from the right-wing network called CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/health...ays/index.html

From the article..."The secret list was part of an elaborate scheme designed by Veterans Affairs managers in Phoenix who were trying to hide that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor"

And somehow, the Secretary of Vets Affairs say that this practice is no more of a blemish to his organization than ride lines are at Disney.

Hmm, how to break this to you...your experience doesn't necessarily reflect the experience of everyone else.

But you seem to think those who have waited is everyones experience ??? and carry more weight then my experience ... you just cant get past the Obama is president thing

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

. I just see this as another Manufactured issue from the right .. just another topic that magically showed up when Obama took office..

The Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal refers to a series of allegations of unsatisfactory conditions, treatment of patients, and management at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center (WRAMC) in Washington, D.C. culminating in two articles published by The Washington Post in February 2007. Several cases of patient neglect and shoddy living conditions were reported as early as 2004. "Soldiers suffering from traumatic brain injuries or stress disorders, others with amputated limbs, have languished for weeks and months on end in vermin-infested quarters waiting for a decision on their military status and a ruling on the level of benefits they will receive if they are discharged and transferred to the civilian-run Veterans Administration (VA) healthcare system."


http://www.disabledveterans.org/2014...dministration/

http://www.usnews.com/news/national/...enefits-claims

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17117430/n...then-big-cuts/


just sayin'

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

The Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal refers to a series of allegations of unsatisfactory conditions, treatment of patients, and management at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center (WRAMC) in Washington, D.C. culminating in two articles published by The Washington Post in February 2007. Several cases of patient neglect and shoddy living conditions were reported as early as 2004. "Soldiers suffering from traumatic brain injuries or stress disorders, others with amputated limbs, have languished for weeks and months on end in vermin-infested quarters waiting for a decision on their military status and a ruling on the level of benefits they will receive if they are discharged and transferred to the civilian-run Veterans Administration (VA) healthcare system."


http://www.disabledveterans.org/2014...dministration/

http://www.usnews.com/news/national/...enefits-claims

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17117430/n...then-big-cuts/



just sayin'

Thanks for making my point theses issues haven't magically appeared under current adminstration

patient neglect and shoddy living conditions were reported as early as 2004. "Soldiers suffering from traumatic brain injuries or stress disorders, others with amputated limbs, have languished for weeks and months on end in vermin-infested quarters

Are a far bigger outrage then waiting for an appointment .. Big picture

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

. I just see this as another Manufactured issue from the right .. just another topic that magically showed up when Obama took office..

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Thanks for making my point theses issues haven't magically appeared under current adminstration.

[scottw]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...eran/?page=all

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczy...-reform-the-va

Obama 2014: "We'll keep slashing that backlog so our veterans receive the benefits they've earned, and our wounded warriors receive the healthcare, including the mental healthcare, that they need. We'll keep working to help all our veterans translate their skills and leadership into jobs here at home."

Reality: Obama's promise to reduce the backlog of benefits applications at the Department of Veterans Affairs preceded a period of intense scrutiny for the VA, coming less than three months before the national wait-time scandal was exposed. In April of that year, whistleblowers revealed 110 VA facilities around the country had created fake patient waiting lists to cover up long delays in care.

Nearly 850,000 veterans are still in the backlog waiting to be enrolled in the VA's benefits system, a process that must be completed before they can get in line to make an appointment with a doctor. That number is unchanged from 2012.

[wdmso]

So does the right have a plan for fixing the issue or is their plan only to blame the current administration for the problem ..

like the Current TSA outrage over several hours long lines

Again another thing that hasn't happen to me flying from Boston to Germany last year or Boston to miami and back this year 2 times no issues or i am the luckest guy in the VA and in a TSA line


looks like its its a few airports kinda like the VA a few places with big issues issues Shocking

[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So does the right have a plan for fixing the issue or is their plan only to blame the current administration for the problem ..

like the Current TSA outrage over several hours long lines

Again another thing that hasn't happen to me flying from Boston to Germany last year or Boston to miami and back this year 2 times no issues or i am the luckest guy in the VA and in a TSA line


looks like its its a few airports kinda like the VA a few places with big issues issues Shocking

Except people aren't dying in the TSA lines . You didn't learn at all did you ?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by buckman

Except people aren't dying in the TSA lines . You didn't learn at all did you ?
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In one case, a veteran who applied for VA care in 1998 was placed in "pending" status for 14 years. Another veteran who passed away in 1988 was found to have an unprocessed record lingering in 2014, the investigation found.


So theses people died 14 years later from lack of care ?? from the VA and never had any other medical choices like medicare or other choices

Seem's your making the claim the VA killed them for lack of medical
care.. I dont see that as the cause I see it as some applied and didn't follow up not all but most what was the ages of theses 307,000 deceased veterans .... ww2 korea era Vietnam current ? what did they die from did the get any treatment any place?

The VA's inspector general found that out of about 800,000 records stalled in the agency's system for managing health care enrollment, there were more than 307,000 records that belonged to veterans who had died months or years in the past.

their are issues no doubt and have been for decades but its not as you suggest

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So does the right have a plan for fixing the issue or is their plan only to blame the current administration for the problem ..

I guess you'd have to ask "the right"...

the current administration and specifically did Obama did a lot of their own criticizing and made quite a few promises that have not come to fruition which is why they are currently receiving their own criticism...it actually makes sense

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

I guess you'd have to ask "the right"...

the current administration and specifically did Obama did a lot of their own criticizing and made quite a few promises that have not come to fruition which is why they are currently receiving their own criticism...it actually makes sense

not against criticizing but I see congress inability to give the POTUS a bill to sign to fix the issues and the one he was given and signed for vets to use local doctors had 10 days to be started and is a total disaster

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articl...compared-to-va

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/v...gram/84869924/