white cops vs black criminals

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The issue I see there is a problem with Some police departments Rules of engagement... Lets use my tour in Iraq as an example

Or ROE was you could not engage unless 1 you were being fired on 2 you could id the shooter location . exception was you could engage any military age male if he had a crew served weapon or an RPG .. carrying or having an AK or side arm was not a justification to engage..

police are killing people for perceived threats.. thats just not good law enforcement. ( you pull a gun and police shoot you NP with that)

But it seems many police departments training is lacking in the threat department

Here is another example from the town I live in

A woman i know late 40's white was leaving a work a nursing home after her shift 11pm driving a mini Van , she was pulled over for rolling a stop sign ( all reasonable to combat drinking and driving ) Officer ask for her license registration she reached for her purse that was between the seat .. He immediately yelled at her to keep her hand where he could see them . She explained thats her purse and thats where her wallet was . he again told her keep her hand on the wheel . went back to his cruiser and came back and promptly gave her a ticket for not having her license . and off he went

white woman over 40
nurses uniform ( 4 nursing homes in the area )
mini van
wallet in purse
other than 11pm at night where is the threat ..

this officer needs some training or needs to find a job if he is that afraid to have a women get her ID.. but has the balls to give her a ticket

the training he seems is getting is that everyones a threat ? not sure..

So if it was a black man in the same situation it would have been racist??

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

....and were you actually in the car to corroborate that it actually happened this way. Seems hearsay is becoming the new "Facts"
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So if it was a black man in the same situation it would have been racist??

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

....and were you actually in the car to corroborate that it actually happened this way. Seems hearsay is becoming the new "Facts"
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Wow you dont believe anything!! why would I need to be in the car to corroborate Her telling of the incident... and this was months before any of the current craziness going on now

I am in Law enforcement there is no dam if you do or dam if you dont .. follow your UOF policy and your all set I doubt shooting some one because you think they have a gun is in the policy as a justified reason for discharging one's weapon

But if you dont think when some officers pull over a black person they may act differently .. your heads buried in the sand

Racism can easily just be stereotyping not sinister no overt intent .. Just inexperience in the job or life in general.. thats how I see the issue

But it seems easier for one side to yell Racism and the other side to say No there isn't than to have a frank conversation

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Racism can easily just be stereotyping not sinister no overt intent .. Just inexperience in the job or life in general.. thats how I see the issue

But it seems easier for one side to yell Racism and the other side to say No there isn't than to have a frank conversation

There in lies the problem......stereotyping is NOT racism.....the term racist/racism gets thrown around way to frequently these days.

Racism is the feeling that someone is inferior to you strictly because of their race.

If you want to have an honest dialog about racism, how about we actually talk about racism. And not label every little politically incorrect thing that someone says or does as racism.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

There in lies the problem......stereotyping is NOT racism.....the term racist/racism gets thrown around way to frequently these days.

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I don't think a lot of the incidents have been as a result of racism but stereotyping.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I don't think a lot of the incidents have been as a result of racism but stereotyping.

Like " white privilege" ?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

Like " white privilege" ?
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I feel as a whitey I have a lot of privilege.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I feel as a whitey I have a lot of privilege.

That explains your incredible guilt I feel I earned what I have despite the government working against me .
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[JohnR]

In a nutshell, we all need to do a little better WRT race.

But if you are a deadbeat and you are black, or you are a deadbeat and you are white, your still a deadbeat.

If you are awesoe and you are black or if you are awesone and you are white, you are awesome.

Chief Davis in Dallas is a leader. He is black. And he is awesome.

We SHOULD make the law as colorblind as possible, based on your actions.

Originally Posted by PaulS

I feel as a whitey I have a lot of privilege.

I never felt very privileged living in the projects as a kid.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

There in lies the problem......stereotyping is NOT racism.....the term racist/racism gets thrown around way to frequently these days.

Racism is the feeling that someone is inferior to you strictly because of their race.

If you want to have an honest dialog about racism, how about we actually talk about racism. And not label every little politically incorrect thing that someone says or does as racism.
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Who's doing that pull a gun on a cop no matter your Race and you get killed I have no issues

But police killing people because they think they have a gun no matter the Race .. I have an issue with that

So whats a stereotype if it used and only assigned to 1 Race AKA BLACKS you dont think this is a Form of Racism ?

[FishermanTim]

Unfortunately the media adheres to the "squeaky wheel gets the oil" train of thought, so regardless of whether they are right of wrong, if any one group shouts, screams and disrupts the general populace they will be heard and presented as the powers-that-be for the moment.

Since the uninformed masses don't care to hear logical intelligent conversation, and proof and factual information just give them a headache, they tend to rely on the old "you're a racist" battle cry!

Just the 21st century equivalent of lemming rushing off a cliff!

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by FishermanTim

Unfortunately the media adheres to the "squeaky wheel gets the oil" train of thought, so regardless of whether they are right of wrong, if any one group shouts, screams and disrupts the general populace they will be heard and presented as the powers-that-be for the moment.

Since the uninformed masses don't care to hear logical intelligent conversation, and proof and factual information just give them a headache, they tend to rely on the old "you're a racist" battle cry!

Just the 21st century equivalent of lemming rushing off a cliff!

agreed.. and the others sides is running beside them saying there is no
racism off the same cliff

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Who's doing that pull a gun on a cop no matter your Race and you get killed I have no issues

But police killing people because they think they have a gun no matter the Race .. I have an issue with that

So whats a stereotype if it used and only assigned to 1 Race AKA BLACKS you dont think this is a Form of Racism ?

What incident are you referring to where someone got killed by police because they thought they had a gun?
I think job applications are racist. Why should my race have anything to do with my qualifications for the job.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Who's doing that pull a gun on a cop no matter your Race and you get killed I have no issues

But police killing people because they think they have a gun no matter the Race .. I have an issue with that

So whats a stereotype if it used and only assigned to 1 Race AKA BLACKS you dont think this is a Form of Racism ?

It' wasn't really a stereotype that caused the police to pull them over...like ...

The Irish Drink a lot
The Asians are good at math....but terrible drivers
And blacks have bigger #^&#^&#^&#^&s.....

Those are stereotypes....

Does racial profiling exist.....absolutely....but that is not racism.

Nowadays everything gets tucked under that neat little umbrella called racism......so now the word has completely lost its effectiveness.

You want to fix the issue of racial profiling......call it such and stop calling every thing racism

And start looking at every event as a single event and wait for all the facts to come in before people start calling everybody racists....
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