Obama says Russia acting 'barbarous' in Syria

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I have a lot of issues with what is going WRT Russia (and has been for a while). Whilke I cannot believe I am going to say this, I think Hillary could deal with this better than Trump. DJT has become a low grade tool of Putin lately.

Although Presidents have the last word, they usually rely on their advisers on various issues. Trump has always consulted experts in his business dealings, rather then merely relying on his own judgment. Although he does like to take credit for what others have done for him. I strongly suspect he would do the same as President. I'd think that Hillary would do the same. Though she was more personally in charge of her affairs as SecState. There's no strong evidence that she was successful at that. Could she pull off another "successful" Russian reset?

And as a "charlatan," Trump could lull Putin into agreements with the confidence that Trump is an unserious fool. All the while, however, gaining advantage for the U.S. Sort of another way of making a deal. Sort of being dumb as a fox.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Could she pull off another "successful" Russian reset?

And as a "charlatan," Trump could lull Putin into agreements with the confidence that Trump is an unserious fool. All the while, however, gaining advantage for the U.S. Sort of another way of making a deal. Sort of being dumb as a fox.

well, Spence assured us that everything Obama was doing with regard to Russia, Syria, Iran, China was actually part of a masterful plan so complex and brilliant that none of us could possibly understand the brilliance or complexity....seems to be working out so well he'll masterfully leave a huge mess for his successor to "inherit" (miles of irony there) not to mention the eminent collapse of his "signature achievement" Obamacare....and.... I think the seas are still rising.....but I hear his golf game has improved....don't know how..I've seen his stroke....you'd think with that much practice????

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Although Presidents have the last word, they usually rely on their advisers on various issues. Trump has always consulted experts in his business dealings, rather then merely relying on his own judgment. Although he does like to take credit for what others have done for him. I strongly suspect he would do the same as President. I'd think that Hillary would do the same. Though she was more personally in charge of her affairs as SecState. There's no strong evidence that she was successful at that. Could she pull off another "successful" Russian reset?

And as a "charlatan," Trump could lull Putin into agreements with the confidence that Trump is an unserious fool. All the while, however, gaining advantage for the U.S. Sort of another way of making a deal. Sort of being dumb as a fox.

I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors, let alone the low bar of actually listening to them.

Originally Posted by scottw

don't forget Ted Kennedy ...and that was apparently not a problem...Spence could probably explain how it was brilliant and an asset in fact...

Two wrongs don't improve a doofus

Originally Posted by scottw

well, Spence assured us that everything Obama was doing with regard to Russia, Syria, Iran, China was actually part of a masterful plan so complex and brilliant that none of us could possibly understand the brilliance or complexity....seems to be working out so well he'll masterfully leave a huge mess for his successor to "inherit" (miles of irony there) not to mention the eminent collapse of his "signature achievement" Obamacare....and.... I think the seas are still rising.....but I hear his golf game has improved....don't know how..I've seen his stroke....you'd think with that much practice????

Obama has been the worst foreign policy president since maybe Johnson.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors, let alone the low bar of actually listening to them.



Two wrongs don't improve a doofus



Obama has been the worst foreign policy president since maybe Johnson.

"I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors"

Trump has chosen Mike Pence, Newt Gingrich, and Rudy Guiliani to be among his closest advisors. Gingrich wrote the last budget that generated a surplus. Guliani was an amazing mayor of NYC during a brutal time. I take some comfort in knowing those accomplished guys are advising Trump, who desperately needs good advice.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors"

Trump has chosen Mike Pence, Newt Gingrich, and Rudy Guiliani to be among his closest advisors. Gingrich wrote the last budget that generated a surplus. Guliani was an amazing mayor of NYC during a brutal time. I take some comfort in knowing those accomplished guys are advising Trump, who desperately needs good advice.

Great, three conspiracy peddlers. I hope you're not serious.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Great, three conspiracy peddlers. I hope you're not serious.
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As opposed to Obama, who told America that John McCain was going to try and make people afraid of the fact that he's black.

Or as opposed to Hilary, who says that half of the people who disagree with her are deplorable hatemongers.

Gingrich and Bill Clinton did amazing things for this country, things that actually helped huge numbers of people.

Guliani cut violent crime tremendously in NYC, which saved thousands of black lives.

Have you no shame, Spence? Have you no shame?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

As opposed to Obama, who told America that John McCain was going to try and make people afraid of the fact that he's black.

Or as opposed to Hilary, who says that half of the people who disagree with her are deplorable hatemongers.

Gingrich and Bill Clinton did amazing things for this country, things that actually helped huge numbers of people.

Guliani cut violent crime tremendously in NYC, which saved thousands of black lives.

Have you no shame, Spence? Have you no shame?

Spence just likes to use the word "conspiracy." Even if its not applicable, he likes to throw it into the mix. No doubt he's trying to jinn up a conspiracy that Pence, Giuliani, and Gingrich are peddling conspiracies.

Maybe Spence is a conspiracy peddler.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors, let alone the low bar of actually listening to them.

Obama has been the worst foreign policy president since maybe Johnson.

Obama picked Hillary as his principle adviser on foreign policy. Does that mean that she has the worst foreign policy record since maybe Johnson? What does that say about her ability to pick a good adviser? Or worse, that she wouldn't listen to him/her, but act on her own in foreign affairs? And that Trump would choose somebody even worse? In which case, maybe, he would be better not to listen to him/her. Is it really a fact that Trump doesn't listen to advisers, or is that just one of those many negative characterizations of him?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Obama picked Hillary as his principle adviser on foreign policy. Does that mean that she has the worst foreign policy record since maybe Johnson? What does that say about her ability to pick a good adviser? Or worse, that she wouldn't listen to him/her, but act on her own in foreign affairs? And that Trump would choose somebody even worse? In which case, maybe, he would be better not to listen to him/her. Is it really a fact that Trump doesn't listen to advisers, or is that just one of those many negative characterizations of him?

She is probably responsible for the better of the two horrible halves of ForPol for Obama (I shouted from the Rooftops he was not qualified - wish I was wrong).


If Trump was efficient and calculating rather than the unfiltered impulsive tool we would not have experienced the disarrayed sheitshow we have been subject to over the past 8 months. He has shown very little capacity for policy - he makes up crap as he goes.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

He (Trump) has shown very little capacity for policy - he makes up crap as he goes.

That is true.

Spence, Obama has also used Al Sharpton as one of his go-to advisors on racial issues, which goes a long way towards explaining why racial tensions got so much worse over the last 8 years.

You wouldn't describe Sharpton as a conspiracy nut?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

She is probably responsible for the better of the two horrible halves of ForPol for Obama (I shouted from the Rooftops he was not qualified - wish I was wrong).

That's reassuring--the better half of horrible.

If Trump was efficient and calculating rather than the unfiltered impulsive tool we would not have experienced the disarrayed sheitshow we have been subject to over the past 8 months. He has shown very little capacity for policy - he makes up crap as he goes.

What very little I know about whether he is unfiltered or impulsive, or whether he is not efficient nor calculating--that little I know points out how he had to consider and effect the various calculations needed to thread his way through the bureaucracy of the levels of government from local to federal, and around the barriers and pitfalls of dealing with tough unions and various labor problems in order to accomplish his real estate missions. Had he been an unfiltered impulsive tool lacking in efficiency and unable to calculate, his initial failures would have been the end of it all.

He seems to have been more of a visionary of possibility and an administrator over others who could make the vision happen. He consistently sought the advice and assistance of those who knew the "what and how" that was needed to get it done.

His capacity for policy was the big picture of what he wanted done and the ability to delegate the getting done to others who knew how to do it. Which, to a great deal, is the function of a President.

As far as sheitshows go, political campaigns are the height of such. Usually they are full of stilted, invidious, calculations full of half-truths and lies, and usually they are far more boring than this one. And they are so sheity that everyone can hardly wait till they are over. A little, or a lot, of spontaneity, no matter how awkward, perks things up.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Obama picked Hillary as his principle adviser on foreign policy. Does that mean that she has the worst foreign policy record since maybe Johnson?

Team Effort

“They don’t want this stuff to come out because it will look really bad for Obama and Clinton just before the election,” said the associate.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...clinton-229115