Trump and his taxes

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

And I'd note that Trump just threw Veterans under the bus AGAIN.

And I'd note, that he didn't say anything insulting to vets, unless we are talking about different quotes. Here is the latest quote...

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"We need that so badly. And when you talk about the mental health problems when people come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of folks in this room have seen many times over.

And they're strong and they can handle it, but a lot of people can't handle it. And they see horror stories, they see events that you couldn't see in a movie, nobody could believe it.

We need mental health and medical, and it's one of the things that is least addressed and one of the things — one of the things that I hear most about when I go around and talk to the veterans. So we are going to have a very robust, very, very robust level of performance having to do with mental health."

Where is the insult in there, exactly?

Again, there are a million legit reasons to attack this guy. Can't liberals go 30 seconds without making something up?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And I'd note, that he didn't say anything insulting to vets, unless we are talking about different quotes. Here is the latest quote...

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"We need that so badly. And when you talk about the mental health problems when people come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of folks in this room have seen many times over.

And they're strong and they can handle it, but a lot of people can't handle it. And they see horror stories, they see events that you couldn't see in a movie, nobody could believe it.

We need mental health and medical, and it's one of the things that is least addressed and one of the things — one of the things that I hear most about when I go around and talk to the veterans. So we are going to have a very robust, very, very robust level of performance having to do with mental health."

Where is the insult in there, exactly?

Again, there are a million legit reasons to attack this guy. Can't liberals go 30 seconds without making something up?

they're strong and they can handle it, but a lot of people can't handle it.

that about sums it up

His view shows his age and lack of understanding about suicide and its causes, strength has nothing to do with it .. I have 2 of My former soldiers who could attest to the strength issue both on opposite ends of topic but they can't they both are dead from Suicide..

suicide is not just a veteran issue nor just an issue for those who have seen stuff its a national issues

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

they're strong and they can handle it, but a lot of people can't handle it.

that about sums it up

His view shows his age and lack of understanding about suicide and its causes, strength has nothing to do with it .. I have 2 of My former soldiers who could attest to the strength issue both on opposite ends of topic but they can't they both are dead from Suicide..

suicide is not just a veteran issue nor just an issue for those who have seen stuff its a national issues

"His view" is that some vets come back fine, some come back broken, and that we need to make sure we can help the ones who need help, and that we are currently falling short of that obligation.

Yes, that's deeply offensive and insulting.


You posted one part of a sentence. You did it for a reason, to make it look like he was disparaging those who "can't handle it". When you look at the entire comment, it is crystal clear what he meant.

Again, there are a million legitimate reasons to question this guy's character. This isn't one of them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

His view shows his age and lack of understanding about suicide and its causes, strength has nothing to do with it .. I have 2 of My former soldiers who could attest to the strength issue both on opposite ends of topic but they can't they both are dead from Suicide..

I've never been in combat but the first thing that came to mind were the really strong people who because they were strong did the hardest things and that's why they suffer.

It was a bizarre statement to make.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I've never been in combat but the first thing that came to mind were the really strong people who because they were strong did the hardest things and that's why they suffer.

It was a bizarre statement to make.

Most people , if they aren't deliberately looking at everything he says, with a pessimistic , I hate him mentality , understood the compassion in his speech .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I've never been in combat but the first thing that came to mind were the really strong people who because they were strong did the hardest things and that's why they suffer.

It was a bizarre statement to make.

Can you elaborate on what was bizarre? He said some guys can handle it, and some can't (he could have been more elegant, I guess), then went on and on about how we have an obligation to the guys who come back and need help.

He was exactly right. Some guys come back fine, some guys come back damaged. Is THAT an offensive thing to say?

Everything you need to know about this issue, is that the anti-Trump people focus on a few words (some can handle it and some can't), which by itself may sound callous. But when you read the next things he said (about how we all owe a debt to those who come back in need of help), his intent is clear.

How is it "bizarre" to say that some guys come back in need of help, and we owe it to them to provide that help.

Liberals recently did the same thing to Guiliani, who said "Trump would be better than a woman like Hilary with her track record...".

And the liberals quoted Guliani as saying "Trump would be better than a woman". Makes him sound like one of those deplorable sexists.

Again, there are SO MANY valid things to use against Trump. Why do we need to fabricate things.

Trump is a true jerk. But I cannot fathom how anyone could be offended by what he said in this case. It's mind-boggling.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Can you elaborate on what was bizarre? He said some guys can handle it, and some can't (he could have been more elegant, I guess), then went on and on about how we have an obligation to the guys who come back and need help.

He was exactly right. Some guys come back fine, some guys come back damaged.

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Thats not what he said ..thats what you heard him Say Hell that would of been great if just said it like you did no issue But no he cant even articulate the simplest of messages with any nuance

This seem to a reoccurring trend with Trump he clearly say's one thing and then others translate for the rest of what he really said or his real meaning Trump speaks like a fortune cookie

"you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it.”

AKA not strong if you cant handle it...

not saying he said that with malice intent . But come on

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Thats not what he said ..thats what you heard him Say Hell that would of been great if just said it like you did no issue But no he cant even articulate the simplest of messages with any nuance

This seem to a reoccurring trend with Trump he clearly say's one thing and then others translate for the rest of what he really said or his real meaning Trump speaks like a fortune cookie

"you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it.”

AKA not strong if you cant handle it...

not saying he said that with malice intent . But come on

I didn't hear him say anything. I posted his entire quote. If I got it from an inaccurate source, OK...but if that is the whole, entire quote, there's nothing there that insults me. He has said plenty of things that no one can deny were rotten (I can't believe he survived making fun of Carly Fiorina's face), but this? I don't see it. And I'm not a blind Trump apologist as you have seen.

"AKA not strong if you cant handle it... "

You are the one hearing things that he didn't say.

He said some guys can handle it, some can't. Maybe that sounds callous and dismissive of those he describes as unable to handle it. But he didn't say those who can't are weak. He said we are obligated to help them, and that we are falling short of that obligation today. I don't see ho what can be taken any other way. He didn't say he could handle it and they are weak because they can't.

"he clearly say's one thing and then others translate for the rest"

Again, you seem to be the one who translated what he said, implying that he's saying those who were damaged, are "weak". I didn't see him say that anywhere, and if he did, I would ask you to post it.

If all he said is that "some can't handle it". Well, he could have used more sympathetic language I guess...But I would argue that what he said, is irrefutably true.

Thanks for your other post about the trucks. Sincerely...

[scottw]

some people are just so anxious to become indignant...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I didn't hear him say anything. I posted his entire quote. If I got it from an inaccurate source, OK...but if that is the whole, entire quote, there's nothing there that insults me. He has said plenty of things that no one can deny were rotten (I can't believe he survived making fun of Carly Fiorina's face), but this? I don't see it. And I'm not a blind Trump apologist as you have seen.

"AKA not strong if you cant handle it... "

You are the one hearing things that he didn't say.

He said some guys can handle it, some can't. Maybe that sounds callous and dismissive of those he describes as unable to handle it. But he didn't say those who can't are weak. He said we are obligated to help them, and that we are falling short of that obligation today. I don't see ho what can be taken any other way. He didn't say he could handle it and they are weak because they can't.

"he clearly say's one thing and then others translate for the rest"

Again, you seem to be the one who translated what he said, implying that he's saying those who were damaged, are "weak". I didn't see him say that anywhere, and if he did, I would ask you to post it.

If all he said is that "some can't handle it". Well, he could have used more sympathetic language I guess...But I would argue that what he said, is irrefutably true.

Thanks for your other post about the trucks. Sincerely...

no worries Jim and no grudges here either what fun would it be if everyone saw everything in the same light .. and its hard to make a point in 50 words or less.. At least for me .. however if you can pull me a little right and I can pull you a little left its a win win...

[hq2]

Yeah, they took the veterans quote out of context. He was mostly saying a statement of fact; namely, a lot of this stuff is so awful that some people can't stomach it. That's basically correct. I don't believe he meant to impugn any of the veterans.

On the original topic however: how does such a great businessman manage to lose almost a billion dollars in a year during an economic boom? THAT'S hard to believe.