What a shame

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by spence

Ok, I don't think border security is a non issue. I do think the issue has been distorted via fear mongering.

How is it distorted? We have terrorists entering this country to do harm. We have illegals entering this country committing crimes. We have illegals entering this country draining us resources and costing the tax payers rediculous amounts of money.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by BigBo

How is it distorted? We have terrorists entering this country to do harm. We have illegals entering this country committing crimes. We have illegals entering this country draining us resources and costing the tax payers rediculous amounts of money.
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So far the majority of those things Americans are doing the same thing in far greater numbers then Illegals 2 wars are what is draining this country of resources

but again facts dont matter Border Patrol apprehensions, which the government sees as a barometer of illegal border-crossing attempts, have been dropping for the past decade and a half. The Border Patrol apprehended 337,117 people nationwide in fiscal year 2015. That's down nearly 30 percent from the previous year and nearly 80 percent below the peak in 2000. wasn't that George W. Bush time in office???

Deportations increased under President Obama,

you want to stop immigration Invest in central America if they have astable Government and economy the will stay

[BigBo]

Surely you don't believe border security ends at the Mexican border. That's just one piece of the puzzle. We have a huge problem with people entering this country both legally and illegally. I don't want to stop immigration. We just need much tighter controls to follow the people that have already entered the US. Once here, they disappear into the woodwork, use different identities and addresses and apply for every government assistance program they can get on. All while working under the table or even legit jobs under their real name. There are no checks and balances.
I know first hand how it all works. My wife lost family over issues related to all this stuff because rightfully so, she doesn't agree with it either.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So far the majority of those things Americans are doing the same thing in far greater numbers then Illegals 2 wars are what is draining this country of resources

but again facts dont matter Border Patrol apprehensions, which the government sees as a barometer of illegal border-crossing attempts, have been dropping for the past decade and a half. The Border Patrol apprehended 337,117 people nationwide in fiscal year 2015. That's down nearly 30 percent from the previous year and nearly 80 percent below the peak in 2000. wasn't that George W. Bush time in office???

Deportations increased under President Obama,

you want to stop immigration Invest in central America if they have astable Government and economy the will stay

Is a speck of honesty too much to ask? Regarding Healthcare, Trump has also publicly said he wants to make it easier for insurance companies to write in multiple states, which might increase competition and lower prices. I don't know if that will help, but it is part of his platform, and you shouldn't pretend that it's not just to make him look less qualified.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Is a speck of honesty too much to ask? Regarding Healthcare, Trump has also publicly said he wants to make it easier for insurance companies to write in multiple states, which might increase competition and lower prices. I don't know if that will help, but it is part of his platform, and you shouldn't pretend that it's not just to make him look less qualified.

Jim complain to the link and whats is in it.. he has no plan. what he is saying should have been done over the past 8 years instead of how many repeal attempts ...

in the US there are only 41 heath insurance company's and 11 Supplemental insurance company

Sadly there are not enough insurance company's to promote competition Trumps just playing to the uninformed who buy into the competition will lower prices ..

From the Party who supports 26 cable company's ... no Competition there

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim complain to the link and whats is in it.. he has no plan. what he is saying should have been done over the past 8 years instead of how many repeal attempts ...

in the US there are only 41 heath insurance company's and 11 Supplemental insurance company

Sadly there are not enough insurance company's to promote competition Trumps just playing to the uninformed who buy into the competition will lower prices ..

From the Party who supports 26 cable company's ... no Competition there

Speaking of the past 8 years, why didn't the Democrats pass Obama care during the first 2 years when they had complete control of the government. What kept them from turning this country into the utopia they want during the first 2 years of the Hussien Obama presidency.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim complain to the link and whats is in it.. he has no plan. what he is saying should have been done over the past 8 years instead of how many repeal attempts ...

A Presidential candidate doesn't have to have a fleshed out "plan." He may have an overall "vision" for the country described in vote catching phrases, but the vision would have to be made real by Congress which would also create the details. Or more accurately, the details would be written by some regulatory agency, which is constitutionally questionable. Or, the President could put on his dictator's hat and make various executive orders and have regulatory agencies make them happen. Which is even more constitutionally questionable. But who cares about constitutionality when we have gone so far beyond it that we think the President is supposed to have the responsibility for planning the direction and functioning of the country.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim complain to the link and whats is in it.. he has no plan. what he is saying should have been done over the past 8 years instead of how many repeal attempts ...

in the US there are only 41 heath insurance company's and 11 Supplemental insurance company

Sadly there are not enough insurance company's to promote competition Trumps just playing to the uninformed who buy into the competition will lower prices ..

From the Party who supports 26 cable company's ... no Competition there

41 health insurance companies? Where did you get that number? That's funny, because at my company where I work , one of the insurance products we sell, is stop-loss insurance to health insurance companies. In other words, our customers, are health insurance companies. And even though we are a small player in that space, we have insurance policies with more than 50 health insurance companies.

Health insurance is expensive, but the profit margins in that business, are a bit below average, for profit margins for all markets - around 6% - 8%. So even if you made them profit-free, that doesn't save a ton.

Health insurance is expensive, because the thing being 'insured' (Healthcare) is very expensive. It's not because the health insurance companies are gouging. I have no idea how to make it cheaper, but we need to start by admitting the truth.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Deportations increased under President Obama,

you want to stop immigration Invest in central America if they have astable Government and economy the will stay

"Deportations increased under President Obama,"

Which clearly implies that our borders aren't as secure as they need to be.

Do you lock your front door at night? Why?

"you want to stop immigration Invest in central America if they have astable Government and economy the will stay"

Oh Good Lord, now we have enough money to build a middle class in every country in our hemisphere?

Secure borders would also keep them in.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So far the majority of those things Americans are doing the same thing in far greater numbers then Illegals

How does this justify not deporting illegal aliens?

If we want to get into the weeds here, obviously the far greater number of a given set of people are likely to do things in far greater numbers than a far lesser number of another set of people. DUH. And is the percentage of illegals doing that same thing the same as the percentage of Americans doing it? And should we "drain more resources" just so we can accommodate illegals because they do less of the same thing. How about getting rid of as much of that illegal thing as we can rather than saying that it's OK to let illegals stay because they do less of the thing we want to get rid of . . . although at a higher rate population wise?

I just don't get what your statement has to do with deporting illegals.

2 wars are what is draining this country of resources

We have lots of resources, including oil, and lots of money not being used (remember quantitative easing?).

Not to fustercluck your mind about what the Federal Government is constitutionally allowed to spend money on, but war, national security, is one of its prime duties. It spends more on a lot of stuff that the Constitution does not give it permission to do. If it refrained from unconstitutional spending, our "resources" would not be drained.

but again facts dont matter Border Patrol apprehensions, which the government sees as a barometer of illegal border-crossing attempts, have been dropping for the past decade and a half. The Border Patrol apprehended 337,117 people nationwide in fiscal year 2015. That's down nearly 30 percent from the previous year and nearly 80 percent below the peak in 2000. wasn't that George W. Bush time in office???

No. George Bush did not officially become President until 2001. 2000 was Clinton's final year.

Deportations increased under President Obama,

Not really. Just depends on how you define deportation: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...402-story.html

you want to stop immigration Invest in central America if they have astable Government and economy the will stay

Would that be a way of draining lots of resources? Haven't we drained resources that way in lots of third world countries only to see those resources pocketed by the corrupt leaders of those countries? I suppose we could send more of our factories and jobs to central America. That would bypass the corrupt leaders, slow down immigration, and really be a boost to American citizens by creating a stable economy there instead of here. Good point.