Trump predictions

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Originally Posted by Nebe

I read it. the point is that he is saying that smoking is non fatal.

If two out of three smokers do not die from smoking related causes, apparently, it is not fatal for most smokers. Who knows why? Maybe genetics, maybe those two out of three were moderate smokers, maybe they smoked the right kind tobacco if there is such a thing.

Is eating hamburgers fatal. If you are genetically prone to die from eating them, or if you eat too many, or if you eat the wrongly prepared hamburgers, they might kill you, eventually, or sooner rather than later. Does that mean that hamburgers are fatal?

Too much of anything can be fatal. So everything must be fatal. Since none of us lives forever, life must be fatal.

None of that, not even if cigarette smoking is fatal or not, was the point of my response and my question. I responded to your afterthought that you believe that the tobacco industry gave him $100,000. Implying, I guess, the industry bribed him. Considering everything Pence said in the bit you posted, it would seem that the $100,000 given to him . . . if it really was . . . was money ill spent and a failed bribe. He said it was bad for you and you should quit. Does that sound like he was earning that hundred grand?

[Nebe]

Sometimes I think you are autistic man....

Here we have Trump saying that he is going to drain the swamp of corruption in DC and boot out all of the corrupt money taking influences when he is elected, but here is his tobacco puppet vice president pic. Why did he make this announcement in the first place?? Because the tobacco industry gave him a #^&#^&#^&#^& load of money to say it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

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Here we have Trump saying that he is going to drain the swamp of corruption in DC and boot out all of the corrupt money taking influences when he is elected, but here is his tobacco puppet vice president pic. Why did he make this announcement in the first place?? Because the tobacco industry gave him a #^&#^&#^&#^& load of money to say it.

this is fake news

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is fake news

Naw, it's for real that the tobacco industry bribed Pence to say that smoking is bad for you and that you should quit smoking.

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Originally Posted by Nebe

Sometimes I think you are autistic man....

Here we have Trump saying that he is going to drain the swamp of corruption in DC and boot out all of the corrupt money taking influences when he is elected, but here is his tobacco puppet vice president pic. Why did he make this announcement in the first place?? Because the tobacco industry gave him a #^&#^&#^&#^& load of money to say it.

Right. Because the tobacco industry gave him a #^&#^&#^&#^& load of money to say smoking is bad for you and you should quit smoking. I admit that I don't know what actually prompted him to say those words. You're, apparently, certain of why he did. I did not comment on whether Pence was bribed or not. I tried to point out that your post was not good evidence that he was bribed to say those words. It even contradicted the idea that Pence was pimping for the tobacco industry. It seemed to me that what Pence was getting at was what his last paragraph stated--that a government big enough to go after smokers is big enough to go after you. If he was influenced by $100,000 to say that, I doubt that the $100,000 intended that he also say that smoking is bad for you and that you should quit smoking.

Was accepting donations from tobacco, or pharma, or trial lawyers, or industry, or unions, or banking and finance, or from wealthy individuals, or from little folks wrong and corruptly influential? Probably. Arguments could be made either way. The influence can cut both ways--using government to beat competitors or get financial preferences; or to fend off government control or government favoring the opposing competitors who also "donate."

Government power can also be corrupt. Fighting against that corruption takes money. And it takes a lot of money to get elected in order to fight government corruption. There's no way to get around that. Not in a free society. Pence's announcement was made back when he was running for Congress. How he thinks about the "swamp" now or then, I don't know. Trump doesn't need the huge donations to get elected. Most everyone else, unfortunately, does. Perhaps you're right. Maybe freedom is overrated. It would cost a lot less to eliminate the democratic process and to be run by some kind of dictatorship.

Perhaps I am somehow autistic because I keep pointing out that saying that smoking is bad for you and that you should quit smoking is not advantageous to the tobacco industry. And that paying someone to say that would be a stupid waste of the tobacco industry's money. If saying that a government big enough to go after smokers is big enough to go after you benefits the tobacco industry, it also benefits the rest of society including the marijuana industry.

How big do you want the government to be?