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12-22-2016, 11:49 AM
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So what is the point of posting 7 items? John said that "the most I can recall and the biggest ones are by the supposed to victims pulling a theatrical hoax" and "lot more people making it look like Trump". Not that there were "also" incidences of people making claims up.
So 7 isn't the most or the biggest or a lot more.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...owing-election
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I wasn't responding to John, I was responding to you....
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Do you have any links bc the media seems to have not shared those stories. I'd be interested in seeing them. We don't know who committed these hate crimes but from what I've seen there is a huge increase. Seems like a lot more confererate flags around.
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...and it isn't that there is a huge increase in Hate Crimes.....its that there is a huge increase in Reporting hate crimes in the news.
there have always been hate crimes....and sadly there always will be. But just because they are happening post election doesn't make them Trumps fault.
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12-22-2016, 12:10 PM
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I agree, A$$holes are the ones who commit hate crimes, and A$$holes are the ones who report fake hate crimes.
and Racists are a$$holes, just like people calling people who aren't racist, racist....are also a$$holes
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You should look up a little history of the Confederate flag. It appears you don't much about it.
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Hmm, do you mean the Battle Flag of the Army or NOVA? Or the CSA flag (or one of the multitude of CSA flags)?
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I wasn't responding to John, I was responding to you....
...and it isn't that there is a huge increase in Hate Crimes.....its that there is a huge increase in Reporting hate crimes in the news.
there have always been hate crimes....and sadly there always will be. But just because they are happening post election doesn't make them Trumps fault.
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12-22-2016, 12:27 PM
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But! The Narrative!
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12-22-2016, 12:36 PM
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I wasn't responding to John, I was responding to you....
And I was responding to John where he said the "biggest" and "a lot more". 7 doesn't come close to "biggest" or " lot more"
...and it isn't that there is a huge increase in Hate Crimes.....its that there is a huge increase in Reporting hate crimes in the news.Everything I have seen indicates an increase in the amount of hate crimes and not an issue w/the reporting.
there have always been hate crimes....and sadly there always will be. But just because they are happening post election doesn't make them Trumps fault.
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I agree there always has been and always will be but there has been an increase since Trump. So when Trump says he wants to ban Muslims, you don't think that causes some a$$holes to commit a hate crime against a Muslim?
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12-22-2016, 01:43 PM
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Everything I have seen indicates an increase in the amount of hate crimes and not an issue w/the reporting.
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and just what exactly have you "seen"?
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So when Trump says he wants to ban Muslims, you don't think that causes some a$$holes to commit a hate crime against a Muslim?
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No, I don't
Just like I don't say Video Games are the cause of Violent Crimes and Internet Porn is the cause of rape.
These people are a$$holes, to the bone....nothing but pure a$$holery is causing them to go out and commit a hate crime.
Do you think if Trump says he doesn't say he wants to ban muslims that the same person is not going to go out and commit a hate crime? of course he is...because he is an a$$hole.
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12-22-2016, 02:24 PM
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and just what exactly have you "seen"?
I have "seen" the reports on the news - pictures of some of the graffiti, videos of people driving by protestors yelling vile things.
No, I don't
Just like I don't say Video Games are the cause of Violent Crimes and Internet Porn is the cause of rape.
These people are a$$holes, to the bone....nothing but pure a$$holery is causing them to go out and commit a hate crime.
Do you think if Trump says he doesn't say he wants to ban muslims that the same person is not going to go out and commit a hate crime? of course he is...because he is an a$$hole.
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Well, we can disagree on that. Did you look at the link I provided earlier?
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12-22-2016, 02:42 PM
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I have "seen" the reports on the news - pictures of some of the graffiti, videos of people driving by protestors yelling vile things.
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people driving by yelling vile things is not a Hate crime. Its just more a$$holery
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Well, we can disagree on that. Did you look at the link I provided earlier?
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I read the link....and....Bias Incidents are not Hate Crimes. Again, somebody calling you a racial slur is not a hate crime....its someone being an Ignorant Racist A$$hole.....buts its not a Hate Crime.
and I'm sorry....but all the colleges that are reporting them I completely discount because that is just SJW centrals reporting that their feelings were hurt.
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12-22-2016, 02:50 PM
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Paul, it's a safe bet that some bigots feel emboldened by Trump. That's not his fault. Hilary got the endorsement of communist groups, and communism has killed tens of millions of people. No one would say she is connected with that.
Also, some of the actual "crimes" have been faked. Probably a small percentage. But how the hell do you defend against that?
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12-22-2016, 03:02 PM
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Paul, it's a safe bet that some bigots feel emboldened by Trump. That's not his fault. I don't blame it all on him but when you call for a complete ban on Muslims (and then later say from only certain areas) that helps get people riled up. Hilary got the endorsement of communist groups, and communism has killed tens of millions of people. No one would say she is connected with that.I think Scott mentioned Communists and linked them to Dems w/in the past few days. Trumps disavoing the KKK was half hearted. He did retweet tweets from Daily Stormer.
Also, some of the actual "crimes" have been faked. Probably a small percentage. But how the hell do you defend against that?
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I guess some feel threatened by what they are hearing and think that is an effective way to fight back. If found, they need to be charged (as I think most of them have been).
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12-22-2016, 02:54 PM
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people driving by yelling vile things is not a Hate crime. Its just more a$$holery
No, actually yelling something may be a hate crime. There is freedom of speech but many people have been arrested for yelling things at people. I forgot who I responding to so in retrospect I should have added a "etc".
I read the link....and....Bias Incidents are not Hate Crimes. Again, somebody calling you a racial slur is not a hate crime....its someone being an Ignorant Racist A$$hole.....buts its not a Hate Crime.
and I'm sorry....but all the colleges that are reporting them I completely discount because that is just SJW centrals reporting that their feelings were hurt.
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12-22-2016, 02:33 PM
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...and it isn't that there is a huge increase in Hate Crimes.....its that there is a huge increase in Reporting hate crimes in the news.
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Do you have any links to back that up?
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