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[Jim in CT]

Breitbart isn't a trustworthy source, but the Washington Post is a non-partisan fact machine. They keep their cards really close to their vests over at the Washington Post, no way of telling which way they lean.

Anyway, from your link:

"the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011"

That's not a ban? How is it different from an immigration ban? Please explain. Good luck.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011"

That's not a ban? How is it different from an immigration ban? Please explain. Good luck.

it was a "pause"...like global warming...or, it's government so maybe a coffee break?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

it was a "pause"...like global warming...or, it's government so maybe a coffee break?

A union-mandated 6-month coffee break.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Breitbart isn't a trustworthy source, but the Washington Post is a non-partisan fact machine. They keep their cards really close to their vests over at the Washington Post, no way of telling which way they lean.

Anyway, from your link:

"the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011"

That's not a ban? How is it different from an immigration ban? Please explain. Good luck.

Do refugees have visas/green cards?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Do refugees have visas/green cards?

Is there a problem about green cards?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Do refugees have visas/green cards?

I presume that the people who Obama banned from coming from Iraq, didn't yet have visas or green cards. I also presume that the refugees that Trump wants to ban from coming, don't have them either.

I think you are desperate to find some difference between what Trump and Obama did, so that you can bash Trump while praising Obama.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I presume that the people who Obama banned from coming from Iraq, didn't yet have visas or green cards. I also presume that the refugees that Trump wants to ban from coming, don't have them either.

I think you are desperate to find some difference between what Trump and Obama did, so that you can bash Trump while praising Obama.

No, you are totally wrong. There is a huge difference between slowing down refugees and banning visa/greeen card users. In addition, Pres. Trump. also seems to have given preference to Christians.

So I guess I had luck in this discussion

Edit - I just read there was no period of time during the Obama admin. when there where no refugees admitted.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

In addition, Pres. Trump. also seems to have given preference to Christians.

call it "Affirmative Action" for Christians ...should make it more palatable to the left

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

No, you are totally wrong. There is a huge difference between slowing down refugees and banning visa/greeen card users. In addition, Pres. Trump. also seems to have given preference to Christians.

So I guess I had luck in this discussion

"There is a huge difference between slowing down refugees and banning visa/greeen card users"

Please explain. Repeating your claim, isn't supporting it. I don't even know which POTUS did what in your example, I truly do not.

"Pres. Trump. also seems to have given preference to Christians."

I said that makes me uneasy. But Obama also gave preference to Christians, when he chose to only drop bombs on Muslims. Right?

At this point in time, on this planet, one religion is inspiring violent jihad. We can pretend that's not true for the sake of political correctness, or we can accept it.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"There is a huge difference between slowing down refugees and banning visa/greeen card users"

Please explain. Repeating your claim, isn't supporting it. I don't even know which POTUS did what in your example, I truly do not.

.

So your argueing something w/o knowing the facts? Refugee, green card/visa holder are not the same. - that is the difference and it is a big difference. One of those links I provided even said something like "people are conflating refugees and green card holders". And while I believe you mentioned it bothers you, Pres. Obama did not give preference to Christians.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So your argueing something w/o knowing the facts? Refugee, green card/visa holder are not the same. - that is the difference and it is a big difference. One of those links I provided even said something like "people are conflating refugees and green card holders". And while I believe you mentioned it bothers you, Pres. Obama did not give preference to Christians.

I know the important facts, I don't think I am aware of meaningless details. I don't know what kind of tie each POTUS was wearing when he signed the order, for instance. Because it doesn't matter.

So which POTUS banned those with green cards, and which banned those without green cards. And why is one an example of brilliant foreign policy, while the other is a moral abomination?

"Pres. Obama did not give preference to Christians"

He didn't bomb any. He bombed a whole lot of Muslims. Bombing terrorists involves collateral damage to other, innocent Muslims.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Refugee, green card/visa holder are not the same. - that is the difference and it is a big difference.

they are spelled differently too

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Pres. Obama did not give preference to Christians.

that's because he is a muslim?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So your argueing something w/o knowing the facts? Refugee, green card/visa holder are not the same. - that is the difference and it is a big difference. One of those links I provided even said something like "people are conflating refugees and green card holders". And while I believe you mentioned it bothers you, Pres. Obama did not give preference to Christians.

You keep bringing up the green card thing. That has been cleared up, and the executive order did not deny entry by green card holders. Green card holders have already been vetted and legally accepted. "Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, who wrote, 'In applying the provisions of the president’s executive order, I hereby deem the entry of lawful permanent residents to be in the national interest.'” The administration explained that full details of the plan could not be broadcasted a week ahead of implementation because that would have given the "bad guys a week to get in. Take it or leave it, believe or don't, in either case the matter has been resolved.