A "moderate" Democrat who left the party and why

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

As Nebe and PaulS who both also have referred to conservatives as fascist, racist, etc. said in response to TDF's right and left wing extremist insert in this thread--"yup" and "X2." Weird how the mirror reflects back those you despise.

Now that is just not true. I never referred to anyone as a Facist.

You seem to be getting more and more angrier all the time. 1st it was the constant Liberals hate the constitution. And then you've resorted to just calling people liars and saying President Trump's lies "don't matter".

Is something going on in your life? We'll help you work through it if you want.

Face it the Right has moved much further right than the Left has moved left. How much time tell the EPA gets disbanned and what party 1st put it in?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Face it the Right has moved much further right than the Left has moved left. How much time tell the EPA gets disbanned and what party 1st put it in?

That's a good one, Paul. The Dems, not long ago elected JFK, a pro-life Catholic. No way he'd get nominated today as a Democrat. Joe Lieberman was a Democrat VP pick, and a few years later, he spoke at the Republican National Convention.

After the 1960's and the turmoil around Vietnam and Watergate, the Democratic party (at the national level) embraced radicalism. San Francisco-style radicalism. And it has gone a zillion miles to the left, thanks to the likes of George Soros.

2017 may officially go down as the year that the Democratic party had a total psychotic breakdown. Look at what just happened at Berkley. I have asked this before, and I will ask it again...when was the last time there was a politically-motivated riot, which was carried out by conservatives? When?

The GOP was as banished as you can get after the 2008 election. How many riots did the Tea Party engage in?

Trump won because his message resonated with middle America. Turns out, they don't like being called bitter clingers, nor do they appreciate being called deplorable.

Look at the map of which counties in the country went red or blue. And you tell me that the Democrats haven't completely lost touch with middle America. You tell me that it's the GOP that's more extreme. Look at that map, and tell me which party is more out-of-touch.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The GOP was as banished as you can get after the 2008 election. How many riots did the Tea Party engage in?YOur equating anarchists with the Dems. That is who was rioting in Ca.

Trump won because his message resonated with middle America. Turns out, they don't like being called bitter clingers, nor do they appreciate being called deplorable.And Hillary said she was sorry right after that comment.

Look at the map of which counties in the country went red or blue. And you tell me that the Democrats haven't completely lost touch with middle America. You tell me that it's the GOP that's more extreme. Look at that map, and tell me which party is more out-of-touch.

So who won the popular vote? Liberals move to the cities, Cons. move to the country. If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres?

Edit - I will say the Dems. have moved to the left, but just not as much as I believe the Rep. have moved to the right. I try to vote for left leaning moderates.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So who won the popular vote? Liberals move to the cities, Cons. move to the country. If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres?

"YOur equating anarchists with the Dems. That is who was rioting in Ca."

Are they general kind of anarchists? Meaning, if Rachael Maddow was invited to speak, would they riot?

Paul, when your side's nominee calls people on my side deplorable, racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, Xenophobe, it emboldens these kooks.

"And Hillary said she was sorry right after that comment"

Correction. She said she was sorry after she saw the impact of that comment in her polling. That was not an off the cuff comment, it was a scripted speech. Obviously she believes it.

"So who won the popular vote?"

That's because of who my side nominated - unfortunately, we nominated an a-hole. Before the election, two-thirds of the country thought we were headed in the wrong direction. Paul, the GOP controls the Oval Office, both houses of Congress, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. On Obama's watch, liberals now hold the smallest number of state & federal elected offices, since the Civil War ended. What does that tell you?

"Liberals move to the cities"

Good. They deserve the cities.

"If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres"

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle. Again, look at the makeup of Congress, and of the 50 state governments. What does that tell you?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"YOur equating anarchists with the Dems. That is who was rioting in Ca."

Are they general kind of anarchists? Meaning, if Rachael Maddow was invited to speak, would they riot?Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year.

Paul, when your side's nominee calls people on my side deplorable, racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, Xenophobe, it emboldens these kooks.So you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting? how about Steve Bannon?

"And Hillary said she was sorry right after that comment"

Correction. She said she was sorry after she saw the impact of that comment in her polling. That was not an off the cuff comment, it was a scripted speech. Obviously she believes it.No, it was the very next day. She did get some well deserved criticism for her comment. She said that she should not have said "half".

"So who won the popular vote?"

That's because of who my side nominated - unfortunately, we nominated an a-hole. Before the election, two-thirds of the country thought we were headed in the wrong direction. Paul, the GOP controls the Oval Office, both houses of Congress, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. On Obama's watch, liberals now hold the smallest number of state & federal elected offices, since the Civil War ended. What does that tell you?

"Liberals move to the cities"

Good. They deserve the cities.Great places to be. Driving the economy, centers of culture, great restaurants (you should try New Haven - fantastic rest. even though you hate it) Most of the great universities are in/near those cities. Look at where the economy is best in a lot of those Red states. In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth and vitality.

"If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres"

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle. Again, look at the makeup of Congress, and of the 50 state governments. What does that tell you?

That the Ds move to the cities/coasts and R move to the rural areas.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

That the Ds move to the cities/coasts and R move to the rural areas.

"Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year."

My point was, and you already know this, that the anarchists are all left-leaning. Every Republican National Convention, every G-8 summit, every election that doesn't go their way, every time a white cop acts in self defense...you can count on the rioters.

"you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting?"

Here's the difference Paul, and it is a yuuge difference. I can admit that Trump is a jerk. Most liberals cannot concede that Hilary is a jerk, or a liar, or that she attacked her husband's victims, or anything bad about her. Yuuge difference.

I loved your comments about cities. Yes, many cities have museums, symphonies, universities, etc. Is that all there is to cities, Paul? No downside? If there is a downside, how come you left it out?

I grew up in West Haven, lived there from birth until age 25, I know all about New Haven. I saw firsthand what 40 years of unchecked liberalism did to the unfortunate people stuck there. If you think liberals have helped those people, and made those cities better than they were 40 years ago, of course you are entitled to that opinion.

You mention Charlotte again. I have news for you - Charlotte ain't liberal, not as we define it in New England. The cost of living is low, the taxes are very low, it is extremely favorable to business. I'm not saying it's as right wing as some towns in Texas, but it's not an example of "liberalism that works", either. Especially in terms of economics.

"In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth"

Tell that to the real estate developers who can't build neighborhoods fast enough in the suburbs of Charlotte. I'm not saying Charlotte isn't growing, but it's not remotely true to say that Charlotte has all the growth.

You are making up jibberish, rather than concede that I have a point.

"Did he tweet that he went?"

Did his visit only help the rich, as WDMSO said?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year."

My point was, and you already know this, that the anarchists are all left-leaning. Every Republican National Convention, every G-8 summit, every election that doesn't go their way, every time a white cop acts in self defense...you can count on the rioters.

"you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting?"

Here's the difference Paul, and it is a yuuge difference. I can admit that Trump is a jerk. Most liberals cannot concede that Hilary is a jerkI don't think she is a jerk. YOu can dislike someone's policies but not agreeing with someone's policies doesn't make them a jerk., or a liarcompared to Pres Trump she is like a saint., or that she attacked her husband's victimssure, based on what her husband told her., or anything bad about her. There is certainly things "bad" with her but I would say she is a better person than Pres. Trump. Yuuge difference.

I loved your comments about cities. Yes, many cities have museums, symphonies, universities, etc. Is that all there is to cities, Paul? No downside? If there is a downside, how come you left it out?[COLOR="red"]sure cities are where the poor live. So they can be near the bus lines, the hospitals, the jobs, the social services, etc. So you then equate that since the poor live in cities that by and large are liberal, it is the liberal policies that make them poor[COLOR]. If you think liberals have helped those people, and made those cities better than they were 40 years agoNH has always had the same problems it has today. poor people being one of them. , of course you are entitled to that opinion.And West Haven doesn't have problems? On the verge of bancruptcy for years. It has to do a loss of manufacturing jobs.

You mention Charlotte again. I have news for you - Charlotte ain't liberal, not as we define it in New Englandno, but for NC it is where the liberals live.. The cost of living is low, the taxes are very low, it is extremely favorable to business. I'm not saying it's as right wing as some towns in Texas, but it's not an example of "liberalism that works", either. Especially in terms of economics.

"In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth"

Tell that to the real estate developers who can't build neighborhoods fast enough in the suburbs of Charlotte. I'm not saying Charlotte isn't growing, but it's not remotely true to say that Charlotte has all the growth. It is the economic driver of NC. Sure other areas have growth but just as many counties elsewhere that vote R have problems. Look at the states that depend on oil. The all vote R but are having big economic problems also.

You are making up jibberish, rather than concede that I have a point.

"Did he tweet that he went?"

Did his visit only help the rich, as WDMSO said?

I honestly didnt read his comment but you said he "quietly" went. I believe I heard he tweeted he went.

article about anarchists in todays NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/u...e=sectionfront

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So who won the popular vote? irrelevant

If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres? dumb( but it did make me laugh hysterically)

Edit - I will say the Dems. have moved to the left, but just not as much as I believe the Rep. have moved to the right.

the further one moves one way the further away the other one appears...probably just perception

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Now that is just not true. I never referred to anyone as a Facist.

No, I don't recall you using the word fascist. I do recall the "racist, etc." stuff.

You seem to be getting more and more angrier all the time.

You keep trying to poke the bear. It's kind of pathetic.

1st it was the constant Liberals hate the constitution.

No, I said Progressives despise the Constitution. I am liberal.

And then you've resorted to just calling people liars and saying President Trump's lies "don't matter".

You exaggerate almost as much as Trump does.

Is something going on in your life? We'll help you work through it if you want.

I've got lots of things going on in my life. How about you? I'm sure there is a Progressive program out there to help you with whatever is going on in your life. I pretty much work out my own problems.

Face it the Right has moved much further right than the Left has moved left. How much time tell the EPA gets disbanned and what party 1st put it in?

What's your starting point? Which party has moved farther from the Constitution?

[PaulS]

No, I don't recall you using the word fascistThen why say it - anger?. I do recall the "racist, etc." stuff. [COLOR="red"]Correct, and always to add counterpoints to when Jim takes the worse of the left and applies it to all of the left.

You keep trying to poke the bearsee above. I actually don't start any threads.. It's kind of patheticThat was what I was thinking of your remarks lately. What was the one when you finally realized that you were 100% wrong on Trump's ban? - "Big deal" . Instead of not responding an lettting it die you need to comment like a 12 year old. \

You exaggerate almost as much as Trump doesPls show me where?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

No, I don't recall you using the word fascistThen why say it - anger?.

Because I was referring, if you noticed, to both you and Eben. He used the word fascist. Putting the words "fascist, racists, etc." was not meant that both of you used all of those words, but that both of you used some of those words. But, of course, I bow to your explanation. It only could have been anger. Not. I was not angry. How you got that says more about you than me.

I do recall the "racist, etc." stuff. Correct, and always to add counterpoints to when Jim takes the worse of the left and applies it to all of the left.

No doubt, everyone has a reason when they accuse others of those words. I'm sure that the "extremists" in TDF's insert all have reasons. When you put those words out there, whatever your reason, you add to the extremist cacophony/

You keep trying to poke the bearsee above. I actually don't start any threads.

By poke the bear I meant you so often fall back on the "you're angry" bit. No doubt you have some internal reason, some personal "issues" as you put it, that you keep doing that. Maybe you're just trying to be funny.

It's kind of pathetic That was what I was thinking of your remarks lately.

Thanks. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

What was the one when you finally realized that you were 100% wrong on Trump's ban? - "Big deal" . Instead of not responding an lettting it die you need to comment like a 12 year old. \

I just wanted to use your response of "big deal" to TDF. And you're right, I wanted the silly discussion to die, so I didn't elaborate on my sarcasm. Your post, if I remember, verified that the lack of clarity in the EO was resolved. It didn't prove any intent to deny green card holders entry. You picked one of many articles that tried to cast the EO in a sinister light. There were many articles, probably in the sources you don't read or search, where the decision by HLS to admit green card holders was explained despite the lack of clarity. One would think that clearing the matter up would be a relief rather than an excuse to keep battering the administration.

You exaggerate almost as much as Trump doesPls show me where?

"Do the search" as some (I think you were one of them) used to tell Jim as some kind of satisfactory answer. Probably a more sophisticated answer than a 12 year old could come up with.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Now that is just not true. I never referred to anyone as a Facist.

Eben likes to say "facist"...you have "racist" Tourette's....

hey Eben...please predict the score of the Super bowl so we can all scratch that off the list