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I haven't seen these discussions but I would say any builder, hobbyist or legitimate business who advertises for sale (even once), sells the majority of what they make is a commercial builder, or takes orders and turns them for profit is a commercial builder. There is no requirement to make a profit for a business to be "in business". I'd say it falls into the same category as a "recromercial" bass fisherman, where you get a comm. lic shore or boat to offset costs of your fishing... you are still a commercial fishermen.
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