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Old 04-02-2017, 06:34 PM   #1
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Every one wants the rules enforced but they dont want to hire or pay whats needed to make it happen..

That's BS.

Guys like this are the reason there are rules laws and regulation

That's your circular logical fallacy again. Laws and regulations are not made for people like this. It would be pointless to make laws for those who break them. They are made to direct law abiding people with guidelines for the benefit of society. Punishments, not regulations are the things made for people like Codfather.

the[y] cant be trusted with Freedoms

They can't be trusted with anything.

in their eyes and seems your view as well freedom is defined and do what you please take what you want thats not freedom thats greed ..

No. What you describe is license, or lawlessness, or tyranny. Freedom necessarily requires responsibility. Freedom requires the recognition of everyone else's freedom. If you live by trampling on others' freedom, you are an outlaw or some sort of tyrant. Tyranny is the opposite of freedom. And taking what you want by force from others rather than by equal or agreed upon compensation does not make you free. It makes you dependent on others' to create enough wealth for you to rob.

How's is deregulation a Good thing for fish stocks Id love to hear how that and what that would look like
You just hear what you want to hear. As you say, you "Love those you listen to.. " It seems you hear only regulation or no regulation. There is no such thing for you as overregulation nor improper regulation nor the advantage of state over federal regulation nor the tyranny of unelected regulatory agencies which have plenary power over all the people and pump out thousands of regulations a year which apply to all states and localities regardless of their differences.

So what is your definition of freedom? The freedom of government to do as it pleases and take what it wants?

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Old 04-03-2017, 08:26 AM   #2
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It seems you hear only regulation or no regulation. There is no such thing for you as overregulation nor improper regulation nor the advantage of state over federal regulation nor the tyranny of unelected regulatory agencies which have plenary power over all the people and pump out thousands of regulations a year which apply to all states and localities regardless of their differences.

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Exactly. To some on the left, any advocacy of less regulation, means you are an anarchist.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:35 PM   #3
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Codfather would have broken rules no matter what they were
I thought I heard something about they were going to get him for tax fraud/evasion. Maybe the breaking the regs charges are part a lesser plea deal?

I may be wrong tho.....

I say just drown him and forget about it.
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Old 04-04-2017, 04:52 AM   #4
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The regulations against what this man did, didn't prevent him from doing what he did. Laws and regulations aren't the perfect solution.

my Views on regulations
my point is very clear, (less regulations will only benefit profits not workers) yet you'll still repeat GOP talking point that reductions in regulation are some how beneficial or just that people like the cod father would just do it anyway

take illegal immigration many have no issue using the argument that more Laws and regulations along the border would prevent crimes from Illegals.. i dont hear you say current regulations or laws "didn't prevent him from doing what he did. as an excuse for their crimes"



Laws and regulations aren't the perfect solution. I agree 100% but if the Codfather had less regulations the ease which he committed his crimes could have easily been greater

Trump wants to abandon all rules and turn America into the Wild West.

Thats exactly what he wants to do have you not paid attention to his appointments or his actions ?/

there are 29 superfund sites in MA and 8 military sites here is just one and an example of past failures create regulations


The Shpack landfill was situated on land owned by Isadore and Lea Shpack. Isadore Shpack, a Russian immigrant and retired New York City municipal employee, began allowing dumping on the property in an effort to fill in its swamp. He then planned to raise an orchard and cultivate vegetables on the reclaimed land.[7][15] Shpack allowed completely unregulated dumping and is reported locally to have accepted any type of waste which was refused by the neighbouring municipal landfill.[16]

The ALI landfill was originally Attleboro's municipal dump from the 1940s until 1975. In 1975 it was purchased by Attleboro Landfill Inc. which continued to use it as a landfill until 1995.[17]

Discovery of contamination[edit]
In 1978 John Sullivan, a 20-year-old local resident who was also a student at the Florida Institute of Technology, became curious about why snails in the area were losing their shells. He visited the Shpack site with a Geiger counter which detected a high level of radiation emissions.[4][15][18][19] Initially "ridiculed" about his claim of discovering radioactivity at the dump, Sullivan contacted the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) which then carried out its own investigation and confirmed the presence of radioactivity.[20] The site was found to contain Radium-226, Radium-228, Uranium-235, Uranium-236 and Uranium-238.[20] The presence of Uranium-236 was indicative of reprocessed reactor fuel being dumped at the site,
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:11 AM   #5
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take illegal immigration many have no issue using the argument that more Laws and regulations along the border would prevent crimes from Illegals..
Usually I just hear people say that we should actually ENFORCE the current laws and regulations that are on the books.

unless you are a city or town that wants to pretend they don't exist for their community...

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Old 04-04-2017, 08:41 AM   #6
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(less regulations will only benefit profits not workers) yet you'll still repeat GOP talking point that reductions in regulation are some how beneficial or just that people like the cod father would just do it anyway

take illegal immigration many have no issue using the argument that more Laws and regulations along the border would prevent crimes from Illegals.. i dont hear you say current regulations or laws "didn't prevent him from doing what he did. as an excuse for their crimes"



Laws and regulations aren't the perfect solution. I agree 100% but if the Codfather had less regulations the ease which he committed his crimes could have easily been greater

Trump wants to abandon all rules and turn America into the Wild West.

Thats exactly what he wants to do have you not paid attention to his appointments or his actions ?/

there are 29 superfund sites in MA and 8 military sites here is just one and an example of past failures create regulations


The Shpack landfill was situated on land owned by Isadore and Lea Shpack. Isadore Shpack, a Russian immigrant and retired New York City municipal employee, began allowing dumping on the property in an effort to fill in its swamp. He then planned to raise an orchard and cultivate vegetables on the reclaimed land.[7][15] Shpack allowed completely unregulated dumping and is reported locally to have accepted any type of waste which was refused by the neighbouring municipal landfill.[16]

The ALI landfill was originally Attleboro's municipal dump from the 1940s until 1975. In 1975 it was purchased by Attleboro Landfill Inc. which continued to use it as a landfill until 1995.[17]

Discovery of contamination[edit]
In 1978 John Sullivan, a 20-year-old local resident who was also a student at the Florida Institute of Technology, became curious about why snails in the area were losing their shells. He visited the Shpack site with a Geiger counter which detected a high level of radiation emissions.[4][15][18][19] Initially "ridiculed" about his claim of discovering radioactivity at the dump, Sullivan contacted the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) which then carried out its own investigation and confirmed the presence of radioactivity.[20] The site was found to contain Radium-226, Radium-228, Uranium-235, Uranium-236 and Uranium-238.[20] The presence of Uranium-236 was indicative of reprocessed reactor fuel being dumped at the site,
"less regulations will only benefit profits not workers"

That is SUCH a telling statement. WDMSO, have you ever worked in the private sector? Even for a day? Where do you get the idea that "profits" are not good for workers? When you are a worker, and you work for a company, the more profits the company makes, the better off the workers are.. When profits go away, companies go out of business. Is that good for workers? Profits are what allow a company go hire more workers, give raises, give bonuses, give better benefits. And those profits, are also taxed, which is where you in the public sector, derive your income.

"you'll still repeat GOP talking point that reductions in regulation are some how beneficial "

Nope. I say that reducing unnecessary regulations is good. I say that reducing overly cumbersome regulations. I am in favor of a reasonable level of regulations that actually do good things.

Can't you state things honestly for a second? I want regulations, but I don't want more hat what's necessary. But you can't bring yourself to admit that, because you can't make it wrong. Much easier if you claim, falsely, that I want zero regulations.

"take illegal immigration many have no issue using the argument that more Laws and regulations along the border would prevent crimes from Illegals.."

If we chose to enforce those laws, then OBVIOUSLY it would reduce crime by illegals. If the illegals are not allowed to be here, it's kind of hard for them to commit crime here. Am I going too fast for you?

"Trump wants to abandon all rules and turn America into the Wild West.

Thats exactly what he wants to do"

Not remotely true. He wants to get rid of unnecessary regulation, not all regulation.

Can't you be honest about anything?
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:29 AM   #7
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Didn't take long for this post to morph from a poaching thread to a Trump bashing thread?

Is this going to be a common "six degrees of separation" theme, where every thread gets perverted into a political dump-fest?

Just want to know so I can avoid these threads and save myself some time.

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