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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you guys love deflection dont you ... Not sure how red blooded Americans are still more outraged of Her email server then

Trumps Russian issues that are like an Onion many Layers and keep coming ..

Hillary's email server wasn't a mere layer of an onion. It was the onion. It was a fact.

Trump's so-called issues are being manufactured into "issues." All of life, including yours, if you are not a perfect being but merely human, is composed of layers of "onion," layers of "issues" that are real or imagined depending on who narrates them, and that keep unfolding until you are no more. At this point in the supposed peeling, Trump's layers are not proven to be connected to the desired big "onion" which itself has not been proven to exist.

So lets get this straight... Obama was a socialistic and a communist but never hung out with them

Actually he did more than "hang out" with them. He was raised by them. And his socialistic (Progressive) philosophy on governing certainly has not rejected his "hanging out" with communists and socialists.

But Trump and his circle hang out with socialistic communists and Conservatives insist there is nothing to See... that Just Amazing

Not getting a clear picture of what you mean by "hang out." Trump has "hung out" with a whole lot of capitalists. A lot more than with socialists and communists. And his "hanging out" with Commies has not yet reached the volume of Hillary's or Obama's "hanging out" with them.

The Commies do exist. And they certainly "hang out" around the world . . . just about everywhere. And are extremely influential. And have a lot of impact on world affairs. Kind of hard to avoid them. Might not be prudent to avoid "hanging out" with them from time to time . . . as most of our politicians and Presidents do.

Not sure what you got "straight" with your "hang out" meme. Doesn't make sense. Seems to "deflect", as you put it.

[PaulS]

How many times have people associated with the Trump admin lied about their contacts with the Russians so far? Witch Hunt lol
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[wdmso]

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/12/...ampaign=buffer


DOJ Settled Massive Russian Fraud Case Involving Lawyer Who Met With Trump Jr.

Also the attorney representing the Russian companies in the DOJ case, Veselnitskaya, is the same one who organized a meeting with Donald Trump, Jr. and top Trump campaign officials in June 2016 to offer material that could “incriminate” Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

conservatives

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So lets get this straight... Obama was a socialistic and a communist but never hung out with them

But Trump and his circle hang out with socialistic communists and Conservatives insist there is nothing to See... that Just Amazing

Huh?

Dude, you are making me defend Trump here - not something I aspire to do. FDact is I am waiting to see if there is a sleight of hand, a last millisecond shift from the meatball driving right down the sweet spot of the plate.

Obama was a socialistic and a communist but never hung out with them

Obama is well know for associating with communists / socialists / radicals

[The Dad Fisherman]

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/12/...ampaign=buffer


DOJ Settled Massive Russian Fraud Case Involving Lawyer Who Met With Trump Jr.

Also the attorney representing the Russian companies in the DOJ case, Veselnitskaya, is the same one who organized a meeting with Donald Trump, Jr. and top Trump campaign officials in June 2016 to offer material that could “incriminate” Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

conservatives

If you want to present facts, first get ALL of the facts.

http://theresurgent.com/breaking-tha...trump-dossier/

Read the whole article. It provides in depth information on ties Dermocrats had with the Russians. But here is a smaller portion re the meeting Trump Jr. had with Veselnitskaya:

"Prevezon, which is a Russian group, hires Fusion GPS and Rinat Akhmetshin to generate negative press coverage on a British citizen. Prevezon also hires as legal counsel both Baker Hostetler and Natalia Veselnitskaya.

"Rinat Akhmetshin also puts Natalia Veselnitskaya on the payroll.
Rinat Akhmetshin, who works in collaboration with Fusion GPS at the time it is preparing the Trump dossier, is an admitted “Soviet counterintelligence officer” who specializes in “subversive political influence operations often involving disinformation and propaganda.”
While all of this is going on, Fusion GPS is working on the opposition research dossier on Donald Trump using a foreign agent. Are we really supposed to believe that it is completely coincidental that Natalia Veselnitskaya just so happens to be the Russian lawyer who got access to Donald Trump, Jr.? Are we to believe that there is no direct relationship between Veselnitskaya and Fusion GPS?

"It is remarkable how she gets a PR agent to urge Trump, Jr. to meet with her by promising Russian information about Hillary Clinton’s emails as the Clinton email server story is blowing up. And then it is remarkable how she gives a perfect performance to NBC News two days ago claiming she only talked with Trump about the Magnitsky Act, but assured the press that the Trump team was hoping for dirt on Hillary.

"It is also really remarkable that this all happens as Fusion GPS is prepping its opposition dossier and a New York Times reporter who has been following the story admits it was a year ago, at that time, that someone tipped him off about the meeting.

"Add to all of that two more nuggets. Natalia Veselnitskaya had been denied a visa into the United States. She had been given temporary parole, allowing her to enter the country with an expired visa, but it has been revoked by 2016. Still, Veselnitskaya was able to enter the US anyway to meet with Trump, Jr. in the middle of 2016. It is my understanding this could have only happened in one of two ways. First, she could have argued she was the sole lawyer of representation for her client, but Baker Hostetler also represented Prevezon. She could also have been allowed into the country if she had a collaborative relationship with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. You know, the organization that was considering paying Christopher Steele for his Trump dossier work prepared for Fusion GPS.
Also, Ms Veselnitskaya, on her Facebook page, purportedly had several pro-Hillary Clinton posts and anti-Trump posts.
There are three questions reporters should be asking right now.
What is the relationship between Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS and Natalia Veselnitskaya?"

[buckman]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If you want to present facts, first get ALL of the facts.

http://theresurgent.com/breaking-tha...trump-dossier/

Read the whole article. It provides in depth information on ties Dermocrats had with the Russians. But here is a smaller portion re the meeting Trump Jr. had with Veselnitskaya:

"Prevezon, which is a Russian group, hires Fusion GPS and Rinat Akhmetshin to generate negative press coverage on a British citizen. Prevezon also hires as legal counsel both Baker Hostetler and Natalia Veselnitskaya.

"Rinat Akhmetshin also puts Natalia Veselnitskaya on the payroll.
Rinat Akhmetshin, who works in collaboration with Fusion GPS at the time it is preparing the Trump dossier, is an admitted “Soviet counterintelligence officer” who specializes in “subversive political influence operations often involving disinformation and propaganda.”
While all of this is going on, Fusion GPS is working on the opposition research dossier on Donald Trump using a foreign agent. Are we really supposed to believe that it is completely coincidental that Natalia Veselnitskaya just so happens to be the Russian lawyer who got access to Donald Trump, Jr.? Are we to believe that there is no direct relationship between Veselnitskaya and Fusion GPS?

"It is remarkable how she gets a PR agent to urge Trump, Jr. to meet with her by promising Russian information about Hillary Clinton’s emails as the Clinton email server story is blowing up. And then it is remarkable how she gives a perfect performance to NBC News two days ago claiming she only talked with Trump about the Magnitsky Act, but assured the press that the Trump team was hoping for dirt on Hillary.

"It is also really remarkable that this all happens as Fusion GPS is prepping its opposition dossier and a New York Times reporter who has been following the story admits it was a year ago, at that time, that someone tipped him off about the meeting.

"Add to all of that two more nuggets. Natalia Veselnitskaya had been denied a visa into the United States. She had been given temporary parole, allowing her to enter the country with an expired visa, but it has been revoked by 2016. Still, Veselnitskaya was able to enter the US anyway to meet with Trump, Jr. in the middle of 2016. It is my understanding this could have only happened in one of two ways. First, she could have argued she was the sole lawyer of representation for her client, but Baker Hostetler also represented Prevezon. She could also have been allowed into the country if she had a collaborative relationship with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. You know, the organization that was considering paying Christopher Steele for his Trump dossier work prepared for Fusion GPS.
Also, Ms Veselnitskaya, on her Facebook page, purportedly had several pro-Hillary Clinton posts and anti-Trump posts.
There are three questions reporters should be asking right now.
What is the relationship between Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS and Natalia Veselnitskaya?"

And John McCain
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If you want to present facts, first get ALL of the facts.

http://theresurgent.com/breaking-tha...trump-dossier/

Read the whole article. It provides in depth information on ties Dermocrats had with the Russians. But here is a smaller portion re the meeting Trump Jr. had with Veselnitskaya:

"Prevezon, which is a Russian group, hires Fusion GPS and Rinat Akhmetshin to generate negative press coverage on a British citizen. Prevezon also hires as legal counsel both Baker Hostetler and Natalia Veselnitskaya.

"Rinat Akhmetshin also puts Natalia Veselnitskaya on the payroll.
Rinat Akhmetshin, who works in collaboration with Fusion GPS at the time it is preparing the Trump dossier, is an admitted “Soviet counterintelligence officer” who specializes in “subversive political influence operations often involving disinformation and propaganda.”
While all of this is going on, Fusion GPS is working on the opposition research dossier on Donald Trump using a foreign agent. Are we really supposed to believe that it is completely coincidental that Natalia Veselnitskaya just so happens to be the Russian lawyer who got access to Donald Trump, Jr.? Are we to believe that there is no direct relationship between Veselnitskaya and Fusion GPS?

"It is remarkable how she gets a PR agent to urge Trump, Jr. to meet with her by promising Russian information about Hillary Clinton’s emails as the Clinton email server story is blowing up. And then it is remarkable how she gives a perfect performance to NBC News two days ago claiming she only talked with Trump about the Magnitsky Act, but assured the press that the Trump team was hoping for dirt on Hillary.

"It is also really remarkable that this all happens as Fusion GPS is prepping its opposition dossier and a New York Times reporter who has been following the story admits it was a year ago, at that time, that someone tipped him off about the meeting.

"Add to all of that two more nuggets. Natalia Veselnitskaya had been denied a visa into the United States. She had been given temporary parole, allowing her to enter the country with an expired visa, but it has been revoked by 2016. Still, Veselnitskaya was able to enter the US anyway to meet with Trump, Jr. in the middle of 2016. It is my understanding this could have only happened in one of two ways. First, she could have argued she was the sole lawyer of representation for her client, but Baker Hostetler also represented Prevezon. She could also have been allowed into the country if she had a collaborative relationship with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. You know, the organization that was considering paying Christopher Steele for his Trump dossier work prepared for Fusion GPS.
Also, Ms Veselnitskaya, on her Facebook page, purportedly had several pro-Hillary Clinton posts and anti-Trump posts.
There are three questions reporters should be asking right now.
What is the relationship between Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS and Natalia Veselnitskaya?"

Wow love the defense articles. .. again deflection at its best .

[JohnR]

Oh for the love of god. Now you are going to say her and McFaul are in cahoots too. People are stirring this sheit up so NOBODY knows what to believe.

But some of this is tinfoilhat territory, up there with #resist and #treason

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Huh?

Dude, you are making me defend Trump here - not something I aspire to do. FDact is I am waiting to see if there is a sleight of hand, a last millisecond shift from the meatball driving right down the sweet spot of the plate.

Obama was a socialistic and a communist but never hung out with them

Obama is well know for associating with communists / socialists / radicals

Simple concept did canaditate Obama meet with praise the Russians or his campaign people?... No

Did canaditate Trump meet with or praise the Russians or his campaign people yes

Hence hung out with

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That's called being POTUS not hangingout or having qestionable contacts while being a candidate

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Oh for the love of god. Now you are going to say her and McFaul are in cahoots too. People are stirring this sheit up so NOBODY knows what to believe.

But some of this is tinfoilhat territory, up there with #resist and #treason

I don't understand the treasonable thing it's not treason don't know what to call it until they conclude the investigation and unlike some on both sides I will accept the outcome

Muller hiring 15 more lawyes? ? For a nothing burger .....

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Simple concept did canaditate Obama meet with praise the Russians or his campaign people?... No

Did canaditate Trump meet with or praise the Russians or his campaign people yes

Hence hung out with

Obama started out with praise for Putin (ibtimes 1/9/17):

President Barack Obama first met Russian President Vladimir Putin in July/2009 at Putin’s Dacha, or country home, outside of Moscow, and in spite of the tensions between the two leaders, the men spoke optimistically of a new relationship between their countries.
Obama told Putin, who was then serving as prime minister under his handpicked presidential successor Dmitry Medvedev, that he was aware of “the extraordinary work that you’ve done on behalf of the Russian people,” and that “We think there’s an excellent opportunity to put U.S.-Russian relations on a much stronger footing.” Putin responded to Obama that, “With you we link all our hopes for the furtherance of relations between our two countries.”

There was even a "reset" in relations with Russia during the Obama Presidency handled by his SecState Hillary.

Things changed in the relationship as relations are wont to do. The same will probably happen between Trump and Russia. There are signs they already have. Among other things, Trump's speech in Poland most certainly was not welcomed by Putin.

Get all the facts together, don't just cherry pick or, as you put it, "deflect."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That's called being POTUS not hangingout or having qestionable contacts while being a candidate

So being POTUS exempts one's contacts from being "questionable"? And it absolves one's actions from being considered "hangingout"?
So now that Trump is POTUS, his contacts cannot be considered questionable, nor his actions considered "hangingout."

And who decides what is "questionable"? Isn't it nearly always the case that one considers the actions of those he opposes but can't be proven to be wrong, bad, or illegal, to be "questionable"?

You claimed falsely that Obama never "hung out" with socialists or communists. He did. And he was raised as a child by socialists and communists. Obama's several contacts previous to becoming POTUS were considered "questionable" by those who are anti-communist or anti-radical. Was he "hangingout" then? Was he colluding with left wing elements in our country and other parts of the world either through direct aid or political aid and intellectual or media backing on his way to the presidency?

Well if becoming POTUS absolves Obama of all that, I guess Trump, now being POTUS can be absolved of his "questionable" contacts.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Simple concept did canaditate Obama meet with praise the Russians or his campaign people?... No


Hence hung out with

"HANGIN' OUT"

President Obama got caught in private conversation with a hot mic today in Seoul, South Korea, telling outgoing Russian president Dmitry Medvedev that Vladimir Putin should give him more "space" and that "[a]fter my election I have more flexibility."

Jake Tapper has the exchange:

President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space."

President Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"

President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you."

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

"HANGIN' OUT"

President Obama got caught in private conversation with a hot mic today in Seoul, South Korea, telling outgoing Russian president Dmitry Medvedev that Vladimir Putin should give him more "space" and that "[a]fter my election I have more flexibility."

Jake Tapper has the exchange:

President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space."

President Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"

President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you."

is this your gotcha quote? and are they the same thing one president asking an out going one to give a message to the new one Theses issues can be solved ??? and he still got reelected no scandal no collusion suggestions ...

not sure how you see that and possibly having the Russians intentionally mess in our elections .. and Trumps people and himself asking for their help “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”


Russian agents hacked the Democratic National Committee’s email account in a bid to disrupt the 2016 election. This claim has been affirmed by every branch of the American national security state, virtually every member of Congress from either party


Trump is arguing that the Democratic National Committee — and, later, Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta — deliberately allowed their politically damaging emails to be hacked and published, so that they would have a ready-made excuse for losing the election. Thanks to their friends in the “deep state,” this worked. And now, the FBI, CIA, NSA, Pentagon, top White House national security officials, and entire Republican Party are carrying water for this Democratic hoax.

Sure they are the same thing

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Obama started out with praise for Putin (ibtimes 1/9/17):

President Barack Obama first met Russian President Vladimir Putin in July/2009 at Putin’s Dacha, or country home, outside of Moscow, and in spite of the tensions between the two leaders, the men spoke optimistically of a new relationship between their countries.
Obama told Putin, who was then serving as prime minister under his handpicked presidential successor Dmitry Medvedev, that he was aware of “the extraordinary work that you’ve done on behalf of the Russian people,” and that “We think there’s an excellent opportunity to put U.S.-Russian relations on a much stronger footing.” Putin responded to Obama that, “With you we link all our hopes for the furtherance of relations between our two countries.”

There was even a "reset" in relations with Russia during the Obama Presidency handled by his SecState Hillary.

Things changed in the relationship as relations are wont to do. The same will probably happen between Trump and Russia. There are signs they already have. Among other things, Trump's speech in Poland most certainly was not welcomed by Putin.

Get all the facts together, don't just cherry pick or, as you put it, "deflect."

Was this before they invaded ukraine Seems you need to put your facts with a time line of world events ... it matters As Trump plays nice with Putin its about facts and time lines .. as well

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So being POTUS exempts one's contacts from being "questionable"? And it absolves one's actions from being considered "hangingout"?
So now that Trump is POTUS, his contacts cannot be considered questionable, nor his actions considered "hangingout."

And who decides what is "questionable"? Isn't it nearly always the case that one considers the actions of those he opposes but can't be proven to be wrong, bad, or illegal, to be "questionable"?

You claimed falsely that Obama never "hung out" with socialists or communists. He did. And he was raised as a child by socialists and communists. Obama's several contacts previous to becoming POTUS were considered "questionable" by those who are anti-communist or anti-radical. Was he "hangingout" then? Was he colluding with left wing elements in our country and other parts of the world either through direct aid or political aid and intellectual or media backing on his way to the presidency?

Well if becoming POTUS absolves Obama of all that, I guess Trump, now being POTUS can be absolved of his "questionable" contacts.

he was raised as a child by socialists and communists. this statement alone is why I ignore your posts you love to sprinkle these little prejudice comments in your well written rants .. plese get back to me when you have info these questionable people ... hacked our election or were agents of a foreign power ...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

is this your gotcha quote?

this would be secret collusion with the Russians intending and expressing the willingness to avoid/side step congress....

Obama also secretly colluded with the Iranians....which confirmed that he was perfectly willing to do the above

the Russians and Iranians both ran rings around feckless Obama and his arrogant naiveté.....


and who could forget "Pictured together, Hillary Clinton, her husband and the Chinese billionaire accused of being front for Communist bid to influence election"


these things bother me as much if not more than anything Trump has been shown to be involved in .....


you constantly move the bar to suit your arguments....very "Trumpian"

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Huh?

Dude, you are making me defend Trump here - not something I aspire to do.

that's the "Trump Effect".....it hurts, it's not in your nature, you really don't want to... but the left and media have gone so full speed whacko that they make you shake your head(have you seen Eben's posts lately?) and he comes out of each debacle looking much better than he otherwise should

if Wayne is looking for some talking points with which to bash Trump he should frequent the National Review website(Conservative bible)...no shortage of articles hammering the President and his team and there actions on a daily basis

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...e-hard-believe

not only was the left and media responsible for the election of Trump...they are responsible for his longevity as well

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Simple concept did canaditate Obama meet with praise the Russians or his campaign people?... No

Did canaditate Trump meet with or praise the Russians or his campaign people yes

Hence hung out with

And he didn't do it on a Thursday after eating a Reuben. Simple: he met, praised, and respected Communists and Socialists for most of his life - before and during his presidency.

Originally Posted by wdmso

I don't understand the treasonable thing it's not treason don't know what to call it until they conclude the investigation and unlike some on both sides I will accept the outcome

Muller hiring 15 more lawyes? ? For a nothing burger .....

Ohh, there is something wrong, possibly even criminal. But we have half the country on the fainting counch or grabbing torchesd and pitchforks. You have supposedly smart people calling "Treason". Know the definition of Treason? None of this reaches that. Period. Prove Me Wrong.

Originally Posted by scottw

that's the "Trump Effect".....it hurts, it's not in your nature, you really don't want to... but the left and media have gone so full speed whacko that they make you shake your head(have you seen Eben's posts lately?) and he comes out of each debacle looking much better than he otherwise should

No - he does not look better - he has not looked better other than tiny brief periods. Hardly has he looked good.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

he has not looked better other than tiny brief periods.

that's something, I'm sure he'd consider it a bigly win

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Was this before they invaded ukraine Seems you need to put your facts with a time line of world events ... it matters As Trump plays nice with Putin its about facts and time lines .. as well

Your time line of world events is squeezed into a small slot which you think supports your argument. The truer time line of "world events" shows Putin to have been a lieutenant cornel in the KGB. It shows his transition from that to political power as President of Russia after the KGB undercut Gorbachev's "glasnost" and "perestroika" and Yeltsin's attempt to liberate Russia from the clutches of a KGB type dictatorship and to be more in accord with western democracy.

http://www.economist.com/node/9682621

This was well before the invasion of the Ukraine. The invasion was, actually, an attempt to begin the restoration of Russian control of East Europe. So the invasion was actually connected to the old KGB control of Russia. Putin was the same KGB type operative during the Ukraine invasion as he was well before Obama became President.

And Obama surely knew that. It was probably what he referred to when he praised Putin for the "extraordinary work you have done on behalf of the Russian people"--Putin had broken the power of the oligarchs who had risen during the Yeltsin administration. And it was exactly the type of politics Obama would favor--the control of the big money guys by government--socialism.

If Putin's invasion of the Ukraine changed Obama's opinion of him, just as FDR realized he had been suckered by Stalin when he let the Commie dictator take over East Europe, who knows what Trump's opinion of Putin would be if he did such a thing again.

So it's your facts and time line that are lacking. The relevant time line does not does not show that Obama's praise for Putin is more justified than Trump's. You keep straining and deflecting in order to make Trump some sort of boobocrat who is more dangerous than other Presidents we have had. The facts and time lines don't support that.

[PaulS]

You have the Pres. of the United States commenting on another persons wife's body and then you have his personal lawyer threatening someone.

Classy folks we have running the country right now.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You have the Pres. of the United States commenting on another persons wife's body and then you have his personal lawyer threatening someone.

Classy folks we have running the country right now.

reminds me of the Clinton years

good news is...Trump will be gone possibly in a matter of months and definitely in a couple of years....bad news is people will continue to reelect the corpses in Congress who are also "running" the country

[PaulS]

And don't remember Clinton saying things like that in front of the spouse - I'm sure he thought it (numerous times).

Sanders said something like Hillary was better on her worse day than Trump would be on his best day. I would add every Repub. candidate to that statement ( better).

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You have the Pres. of the United States commenting on another persons wife's body and then you have his personal lawyer threatening someone.

Classy folks we have running the country right now.

You're kidding right? It was a compliment. Are those offensive now too . What a country you left wingers would have if left alone .. except for the war with Russia that you keep begging for 😂
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[PaulS]

DS, I'm not sure if you realize it but talking about someone's wifes body is not appropriate.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

DS, I'm not sure if you realize it but talking about someone's wifes body is not appropriate.

man... Bill Clinton would have a tough go of it with the current leftist standards for behavior

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

DS, I'm not sure if you realize it but talking about someone's wifes body is not appropriate.

He said she looked fit , beautiful !! You act like he said she had nice booty and a great rack .
I can't believe how many Saints now reside oh the party of "God is bad"
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