This is serious.

[Nebe]

I first heard about this a few years ago from a very good friend of mine who is a retired navy pilot.. when Iran captured a few of our navy's fast boats.
News of this gps hack is just now coming to light publicly and I have to imagine this is what happened to our frigate that was rammed.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...ime=1502469500

[JohnR]

The is some word / evidence of a GPS hack in general, but also know a few Ret Navy Captains and this was likely not the Gulf issue nor the Fitz

With regards to relying on only electronic systems:

[Nebe]

You crack me up.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You crack me up.
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What the BG ref? Best Frackin' Show almost ever.

[JohnR]

Follow up, yes it seems like it is possible (and probable) for the Black Sea incident, but still not realistic on the Fitz.

[Nebe]

Glad to see you know more than a retired navy pilot who has direct contact and discussions with people in the pentagon, but carry on.
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[Nebe]

I will add more. A few years ago, Russian jets were buzzing navy ships. All of the electronics on the ship malfunctioned. Russian jets buzzing American jets.... same thing. They have some sort of gps jamming/spoofing weapon and they are using it against us.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Glad to see you know more than a retired navy pilot who has direct contact and discussions with people in the pentagon, but carry on.
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So to tease out your logic, someone was steering the ACX Crystal (in a straight line) to a GPS Spoofed spot on a map, where the Russkies assumed a US DDG would be at 3am. With your ample knowledge of the sea do you think this is possible?



And in the unlikely event us US Navy DDG was using GPS, it is an encrypted signal that cannot reasonably remotely be decrypted, insert malicious code, and re-encrypt .

[Nebe]

Anything is possible.
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[Duke41]

No its not.

[Nebe]

Just happened again. 10 sailors missing.

I rest my case.
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[Nebe]

Trump's statement on this.... " That's too bad". What a clown
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Just happened again. 10 sailors missing.

I rest my case.
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Use this as an example to the entrance of the Malacca Straight except nothing in this vid has brakes. And it is night.

Originally Posted by Nebe

Trump's statement on this.... " That's too bad". What a clown
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This is where I want the context (rages inner Spence). Was it "Oh,well?" or tragic.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Trump's statement on this.... " That's too bad". What a clown
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You seem more upset about Trumps out of context statement then you are for the sailers that lost their lives ....clown
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[JohnR]

Not to mention the primary Nav aids would be radar, eyeballs, etc, not AIS

AIS track for ALNIC/MC bwlow:

Just spitballing but maybe DDG had crossed TEAM OSLO and the ALNIC/MC was in its radar shadow. If you look at the long track Team OSLO spent a while overtaking ALNIC and crossed from behind and port to passing to starboard.

McCain goes to pass across bow of OSLO, next sees Hyundai Global and hits the brakes, and then finds ALNIC just between OSLO and ALNIC. Similar to the incident with USS Porter a few years ago, one vessel masks another in a very crowded traffic convergence.

[JohnR]

BTW - rumor is McCain lost steering when approaching straight just before collision.