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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Are you denying that his campaign had no undercurrents dealing w/race? "

No, I cannot deny that, because anytime a prominent liberal gets involved with a political issue (or an election), you can be assured that race will be a major topic for them. So it is the liberals who made Trump blow the racist whistleYou couldn't get more than a couple of comments about this NFL issue without bringing charges of racism, so thanks for proving my point. If you don't think Trump did this bc it was primarily black players you are stupid (and I don't think you are).

"Maybe you can post something up about Berkley - you haven't done that it what 2 weeks?"

Oh I'm obsessed with BerkleyAnd whiney college students that you think are liberal. how many times have you brought that up (and in posts that had nothing to do w/that). Why bring up Ben Shapiro in a thread about Trump working w/the Dems. on a spending cap? So it is not ok when you think someone does something, yet it is ok when you just did the exact same thing you are complaining you think the other person did? What is that word I am thinking of to descrbe that? Hmm. . I've made, what, 2 or 3 posts in the past year about the riots and damage done there? Yeah that's me, always getting worked up about silly little things like violent mobs who destroy neighborhoods to keep people from speaking. All in the name of anti-fascism. You can't make that up.

"the Dems keep blacks down by using welfare. "

You pay people to have kids out of wedlock, guess what happens?

"Too bad they aren't smart enough to realize that "

Paul, I often wonder, are liberals too blind to see the damage they are doing to the cities, or is that their intended plan? I don't know the answer, I can't see in people's hearts. All I know, is that urban liberalism has been a disaster for blacks. Do you disagree? Can you answer that question, Paul? Has liberalism worked in our urban cities for the last generation, yes or no?
And conservatism has been a great thing for the poor (of which blacks have a lower # but a higher %. Look at the repeal of Obamacare and the Trump budget - hurts poor while giving a tax break to the rich.
"only Jim is"

Not remotely true. Tens of millions of people see it. We call them "conservatives". And at least one truly great, brave liberal, the late great Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of the state of NY, who warned 40 years ago that liberal welfare was going to destroy the black nuclear family, therefore destroy the entire black culture. He was crucified for what he said. And he was 100% correct.

We got off topic. Which is the intent of lobbing nonsensical charges of racism...

Not off topic bc to many players it was an issue of race - (unless you're blind to it).

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Not off topic bc to many players it was an issue of race - (unless you're blind to it).

"And conservatism has been a great thing for the poor '

So you couldn't bring yourself to answer one, simple, direct yes/no question. What does it say about your agenda, that I can render you unable to defend it, with an obvious yes/no question?

"whiney college students that you think are liberal" Oh so the rioters at Berkley aren't really liberal, I am just painting them with that brush? I am literally wiping tears away from my eyes, from laughter...

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Originally Posted by PaulS

Not off topic bc to many players it was an issue of race - (unless you're blind to it).

Remember, you're talking to someone who denies white privledge exists.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Remember, you're talking to someone who denies white privledge exists.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Remember, you're talking to someone who denies white privledge exists.
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The protests last year were about race. The protests yesterday, were about Trump insulting them, let's not turn this into a march into Selma.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The protests last year were about race. The protests yesterday, were about Trump insulting them, let's not turn this into a march into Selma.

Yes Trump was insulting black players for taking a knee. Hence they all took a knee as a clear FU to Trump Not sure how you Missed the race side of it . But understood the FU side Easily?
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Originally Posted by wdmso

Yes Trump was insulting black players for taking a knee. Hence they all took a knee as a clear FU to Trump Not sure how you Missed the race side of it . But understood the FU side Easily?
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Funny how the fake outrage gets to define the spirit of the protesters...that's ripe.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Yes Trump was insulting black players for taking a knee. Hence they all took a knee as a clear FU to Trump Not sure how you Missed the race side of it . But understood the FU side Easily?
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Sigh. The protests last year, were about racial injustice. Almost none of the players paid attention, meaning they didn't care much about the issue being protested then. Then Trump shot his mouth off, so 200 players chimed in. Sunday's NFL protests had zero to do with racial injustice, and everything to do with hatred of Trump. That's fine, let's just not call it something other than it was.

I didn't hear Trump say that white players who protest, should keep their jobs. Therefore it wasn't about race. Good God, give it a rest. Does every single thing have to be about race when there is zero evidence of racial involvement? If he lobs the same exact insult at everybody regardless of race, then how in God's name is it racist, exactly?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Sigh. Then Trump shot his mouth off, so 200 players chimed in. Sunday's NFL protests had zero to do with racial injustice, and everything to do with hatred of Trump.

I didn't hear Trump say that white players who protest, should keep their jobs. Therefore it wasn't about race. Good God, give it a rest. Does every single thing have to be about race when there is zero evidence of racial involvement? exactly?

you tend to not hear anything or see its about Race at any time or place? thats what i find Odd when Trumps comments were clearly about who's Taking an Knee and the Vast Majority are Black (very clear ) ... But i guess if you sprinkle a white guy in here or there it changes things ...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you tend to not hear anything or see its about Race at any time or place? thats what i find Odd when Trumps comments were clearly about who's Taking an Knee and the Vast Majority are Black (very clear ) ... But i guess if you sprinkle a white guy in here or there it changes things ...

Wrong again.

I care deeply about injustice. But it has to be actual, real injustice...not made u[p, fabricated injustice. It's not remotely racist for Trump to call everyone who previously protested (blacks and whites) an SOB. It's not an elegant thing to say, it's not a presidential thing to say, it's probably not a smart thing to say. But it's not even a tiny bit racist.

Believe it or not, it's possible to feel critical of someone who isn't white, and not be in the Klan.

"the Vast Majority are Black "

Aha!!

So was Trump differentiating between those who are black, and those who are white? because if he lumped them all together, how can it be racist? He didn't say "fire the black ones, and give raises to the white ones". Skin color had absolutely zilch to do with it.