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11-01-2017, 03:39 PM
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Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
The terrorist came into our country through what is called the "Diversity Visa Lottery Program," a Chuck Schumer beauty. I want merit based.
calling for political solutions in response to terrorist attacks, particularly those committed by Muslims.
Chuck Schumer ✔@SenSchumer
I guess it's not too soon to politicize a tragedy.
8:37 AM - Nov 1, 2017
Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!
58 people dead and 546 injured. in Vegas
White House officials insisted it was “premature” to discuss politics and dismissed calls to re-evaluate gun legislation.
how sad
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11-01-2017, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
58 people dead and 546 injured. in Vegas
White House officials insisted it was “premature” to discuss politics and dismissed calls to re-evaluate gun legislation.
how sad
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Sad is the thought that you, I presume an American, can put on the same plane of equivalency, questioning the entry of non-citizens with zero claim to be here, with restricting the rights of US citizens with knee-jerk laws that everyone agrees would not have stopped that or damn near any shooting.
In a few short weeks the gun control fire in the belly of the Democrats in Congress has already died. Do you really want to have the conversation or are you just virtue signalling?
If you really want to discuss gun legislation please, go ahead and start a thread and set out specifically what gun laws you want to see enacted and what you expect from each law.
I know you are not at all interested in having the conversation. |
You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence.
If you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.
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11-02-2017, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ReelinRod
with restricting the rights of US citizens with knee-jerk laws that everyone agrees would not have stopped that or damn near any shooting.
I know you are not at all interested in having the conversation.
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I'll have it.
I know of no law that would have completely prevented the Vegas shooting. But if bump stocks were illegal, the body count might well have been a lot lower. He shot 600 people. One of the first cops on the scene was a combat vet, and he radioed in that it sounded like a belt fed machine gun.
Just because you can't guarantee a body count of zero, doesn't mean you don't try to do what you can. |
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11-02-2017, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
But if bump stocks were illegal, the body count might well have been a lot lower.
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Just because they are illegal, doesn't mean people won't have them.
now that people are aware of the technology....they'll be making them in their garage. Looks like a very simple item to make. |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-02-2017, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Just because they are illegal, doesn't mean people won't have them.
now that people are aware of the technology....they'll be making them in their garage. Looks like a very simple item to make.
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No, it's not a guarantee that no one will ever have them. But it makes it harder, which means it's possible that lives can be saved. It means that some people won't have them, that might have them if they were legal.
When seat belt laws were passed, the critics said "just because it's illegal to not wear a seat belt, doesn't mean that some people won't still choose not to wear them". And they are 100% right...despite the law, some people don't wear seat belts. But some obey the law, and people are alive because of it. Seat belt laws don't reduce auto fatalities to zero, but that doesn't mean they don't have a positive impact.
It's not the same thing, but it's close, don't you think? |
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11-03-2017, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
It's not the same thing, but it's close, don't you think?
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ummmm...no....banning something is not close to the same thing as fining someone for not wearing something...it's practically the opposite....do I have to explain further? |
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11-03-2017, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
ummmm...no....banning something is not close to the same thing as fining someone for not wearing something...it's practically the opposite....do I have to explain further?
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Man oh man...
I agree, banning possession isn't the same as forcing you to do something...
But I'll say two things..
(1) those two things are similar in this regard...people who opposed seat belt laws, and people who always oppose gun regulation, often use this kind of an argument..."the law won't guarantee that there will be zero deaths going forward". That is a very, very common argument, and it's completely absurd. No law is perfect. Laws against murder, don't prevent 100% of murders, but it would be asinine to use that as an excuse to do away with anti-murder laws. But if the law does some good, and is constitutional, it may be worth enacting. Saving some lives isn't as good as saving all lives, but it's better than nothing.
(2) we currently ban the possession of all kinds of things...that in and of itself, isn't a totalitarian concept. I don't want George Soros to have a nuke just because he can afford one. |
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11-04-2017, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Just because they are illegal, doesn't mean people won't have them.
now that people are aware of the technology....they'll be making them in their garage. Looks like a very simple item to make.
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The problem is that the legislation now being pushed through bans anything that facilitates a more rapid cycle of fire in a semi-automatic. An aftermarket match trigger that has a faster reset than a stock trigger would fall under the law.
Nearly everyone will be in violation of the law; we are going to forced to cut off the belt loops on our pants . . .
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You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence.
If you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.
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11-04-2017, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I'll have it.
Just because you can't guarantee a body count of zero, doesn't mean you don't try to do what you can.
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Well, since you have picked a position for me and you and the guy in your mirror have arrived at a conclusion, I don't see any room for me in your "conversation". |
You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence.
If you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.
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11-01-2017, 09:20 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
The terrorist came into our country through what is called the "Diversity Visa Lottery Program," a Chuck Schumer beauty. I want merit based.
calling for political solutions in response to terrorist attacks, particularly those committed by Muslims.
Chuck Schumer ✔@SenSchumer
I guess it's not too soon to politicize a tragedy.
8:37 AM - Nov 1, 2017
Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!
58 people dead and 546 injured. in Vegas
White House officials insisted it was “premature” to discuss politics and dismissed calls to re-evaluate gun legislation.
how sad
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First of all it’s not a tragedy
It’s an ATROCITY!
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1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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