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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I don't know about that Scott. We didn't see these mass shootings a few decades ago. When my parents were young, many people left their doors unlocked at night. I don't think everything is the same. When I was 9 years old, I left my house at 8 AM, with my bike and my baseball glove, and told my parents I was going out to play, and I'd be home for dinner. They didn't know exactly where I was, but they were confident I was fine. That was common. Today, you'd be an absolute maniac to let a 9 year old have that kind of freedom, it's too dangerous.

depends on where you live probably and I don't know that it's that different though the tv constantly tells us how dangerous it is out there...danger around every corner probably

[wdmso]

Trump says Texas shooting is a problem of mental health, not guns
called him a deranged individual,

guy kills 8 with a truck Trump calls him Trump referred to terrorism suspect Sayfullo Saipov as an "animal," and called for "swift justice" instead of regular due process.


and Blames visa program and blames political correctness for not addressing the issue


it is amazing to see to verbal gymnastics and how Consertives see the world and solution's so clearly . if its a Muslim or immigrant

But when Terrorism or Muslim or immigrant cant be used or shown involvement in the incident .. and all they have is white guy with a gun they default to its a Mental heath issue ....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump says Texas shooting is a problem of mental health, not guns
called him a deranged individual,

guy kills 8 with a truck Trump calls him Trump referred to terrorism suspect Sayfullo Saipov as an "animal," and called for "swift justice" instead of regular due process.


and Blames visa program and blames political correctness for not addressing the issue


it is amazing to see to verbal gymnastics and how Consertives see the world and solution's so clearly . if its a Muslim or immigrant

But when Terrorism or Muslim or immigrant cant be used or shown involvement in the incident .. and all they have is white guy with a gun they default to its a Mental heath issue ....

amazing to see how some will try to turn anything and everything into an incident of racism

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

amazing to see how some will try to turn anything and everything into an incident of racism

its a statement of fact solution are provided with great speed and resolve when Terrorism or Muslim or immigrant are present ...

if that equals Racism then thats what it equals

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump says Texas shooting is a problem of mental health, not guns
called him a deranged individual,

guy kills 8 with a truck Trump calls him Trump referred to terrorism suspect Sayfullo Saipov as an "animal," and called for "swift justice" instead of regular due process.


and Blames visa program and blames political correctness for not addressing the issue


it is amazing to see to verbal gymnastics and how Consertives see the world and solution's so clearly . if its a Muslim or immigrant

But when Terrorism or Muslim or immigrant cant be used or shown involvement in the incident .. and all they have is white guy with a gun they default to its a Mental heath issue ....

If you don't consider a man who beats his wife and child deranged then how would you describe him? I would condemn him for that action alone. If he can legally obtain a weapon with his track record then the problem is a lack of sensible laws,no doubt the NRA,along with the conservative base are culpable for these generous liberties.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

If you don't consider a man who beats his wife and child deranged then how would you describe him? I would condemn him for that action alone. If he can legally obtain a weapon with his track record then the problem is a lack of sensible laws,no doubt the NRA,along with the conservative base are culpable for these generous liberties.
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The NRA has fought for people like him to own a gun the dont want MH issues a 209A to infringe their 2a rights are they culpable .. to a degree but they dont pass laws .. Gun owners need to be part of the solution or change will happen with out them .. but they wont.. they have all ready found a silver lining 1 guy shot back and saved the day ... sadly 26 people were all ready killed but the'll run with it anyway saying it could have been worse.. Really !!

to me they are both animals and cowards..I dont need to know the why they killed it doesn't change the result

Trump he clearly see's a difference

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

to me they are both animals and cowards..I dont need to know the why they killed it doesn't change the result

It changes the appropriate response for Gods sake. If Vladimir Putin paid the guy to do this, that's one thing. If he did it for Allah, that's another thing. And if he's a home-grown garden variety nut, that's yet another thing. You don't see that?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It changes the appropriate response for Gods sake. If Vladimir Putin paid the guy to do this, that's one thing. If he did it for Allah, that's another thing. And if he's a home-grown garden variety nut, that's yet another thing. You don't see that?

murder is murder motivation only gives people excuses to why it happend.. so they can ignore the hows

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

If you don't consider a man who beats his wife and child deranged then how would you describe him? I would condemn him for that action alone. If he can legally obtain a weapon with his track record then the problem is a lack of sensible laws,no doubt the NRA,along with the conservative base are culpable for these generous liberties.
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I read that he was denied an application for guns in Texas. Which is interesting, I presume that's not a place known for being tough to get a gun. I'm curious where he got his sexy "assault rifle".

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm curious where he got his sexy "assault rifle".

you mean Assault-Style Rifle.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

you mean Assault-Style Rifle.....

Correct.

Hey (not to hijack the thread) I was wondering what you thought of girls into the Boy Scouts...I work with a guy who is very conservative, and he is a local scout leader, his two boys are both close to Eagle Scout. He's fine with it. He said den meetings and overnight trips will be unisex, and his take was that if the Girl Scouts don't want to change to accommodate parents who want girls to do more than sell cookies, better that the girls learn the good values with the Boy Scouts, then not be exposed to those positive values. I have 3 in cub scouts this year, all having a good time. My wife is getting really involved, she loves it, she is the den leader for the first graders.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Hey (not to hijack the thread) I was wondering what you thought of girls into the Boy Scouts...I work with a guy who is very conservative, and he is a local scout leader, his two boys are both close to Eagle Scout. He's fine with it. He said den meetings and overnight trips will be unisex, and his take was that if the Girl Scouts don't want to change to accommodate parents who want girls to do more than sell cookies, better that the girls learn the good values with the Boy Scouts, then not be exposed to those positive values. I have 3 in cub scouts this year, all having a good time. My wife is getting really involved, she loves it, she is the den leader for the first graders.

I think its idiotic. The BSA already had a coed program called Ventures. They do the same things as the Boy Scouts plus a few more things that the Boy Scouts can't do (i.e. shoot hand guns, snow mobiles).

This was just caving to pressure because people get all butt-hurt over the word "Boy"

Even the Girl Scouts were upset about it. Girl Scouts can do all the things boy scouts can do if they want. I personally know a GS leader that takes her girls Hiking and Camping.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

depends on where you live probably and I don't know that it's that different though the tv constantly tells us how dangerous it is out there...danger around every corner probably

We have more knowledge of what goes on now, for sure. But I don't buy that mass shootings took place in the 1950s, but we didn't know because it was only local news. Elementary schools didn't have lockdowns and lessons to kids about not letting strangers touch them. I guess I can't prove it, but I think things are worse. I think things are worse at the bottom. I think the most dangerous ten percent, are worse than they used to be. The breakdown of the nuclear family, not going to church, the internet, it all leads to this.
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[wdmso]

this is how the base see's it on breitbart


The motive will be attributed to mental illness - not as being directed toward Christians. The liberal mainstream media does not like Christianity. This tragedy will be used by the media and the left to further the case for more gun control legislation.



Just another CIA Deep State orchestrated massacre. Reason behind all this escalation in violence leaked http://www.freepressmatters...
(They're trying to make Trump out to be incompetent so he'll step down)

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The liberal mainstream media does not like Christianity.

You don't think that's true?

When Obama claimed that we "cling" to our religion because we are bitter, and because we are racist, how many media outlets, besides foxnews, called him out?

When was the last time you heard someone in the mainstream media, concede that pro-life folks are pro-life because of empathy for the baby? Because I never hear that. What I hear, is that we are pro-life because we are anti-woman. That's all I hear.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You don't think that's true?

When Obama claimed that we "cling" to our religion because we are bitter, and because we are racist, how many media outlets, besides foxnews, called him out?

When was the last time you heard someone in the mainstream media, concede that pro-life folks are pro-life because of empathy for the baby? Because I never hear that. What I hear, is that we are pro-life because we are anti-woman. That's all I hear.

It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
whats thats not a true statement ^^^^ thats what got Trump voted in

No its not true its complete BS the media is not attacking Christians in America... they are not oppressed ... they dont mind being the oppressors

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
whats thats not a true statement ^^^^ thats what got Trump voted in

No its not true its complete BS the media is not attacking Christians in America... they are not oppressed ... they dont mind being the oppressors

What Obama said is pure bullsh*t, and sentiment like that (and Hilary's deplorables comment) is a big part of why he got elected. Like you, many on th elkeft haven't figured that out yet, and come Next November, you may pay a price for that.

"the media is not attacking Christians in America"

I completely disagree. For example, liberals don't ever concede that Christians who are opposed to abortion, do so out of compassion. Nope, according to the media, we are trying to oppose women's health. The overwhelming majority of religious references in the liberal media, are unfavorable.

"they are not oppressed "

Tell that to the Christian bakers who don't want to participate in gay weddings (which is obviously a first amendment right in some cases), who are attacked.

"they dont mind being the oppressors"

You are actually proving my point better than I ever could. Your animosity towards Christianity is glaring...Out of curiosity, where exactly, are Christians the oppressors today in this country?

Of course Christians are far from perfect, and suffer from all the evil and wickedness that effects everyone else. But in a big picture sense? Christian principles led to the founding of the country, they led to the abolishment of slavery, and they led to the end of segregation. Funny how libs like to forget history, some of it not ancient history, when they describe Christianity. It's pure hate.

Do you really dispute that true Christians (the ones who actually believe what they hear in church, and act accordingly) don't cause fewer problems for society? The people who volunteer at soup kitchen and who read to sick children at the hospital...you don't think they commit less crime, you don't think they abandon their kids at lower rates, than the general public?