Roy Moore / Al Franken

[Jim in CT]

What the heck do we do, when politicians are accused of sexual harassment, many years earlier? (If your name is Kennedy or Clinton, we do nothing and allow liberals to hail you as a hero, but let's save that).

Part of me says where there's smoke there's fire, so we should kick them to the curb. But that encourages people in the other party to fabricate claims. Part of me says you are innocent until proven guilty.

Would be awfully nice if we had one set of rules in these cases, that applied to both parties.

[The Dad Fisherman]

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Just what you want to see in a US Senator.

We (BOTH sides) need a better way to pick people of character...

[BigBo]

Part of the problem is the lines between Hollywood and public service are so blurred. I don't know why (perhaps it's the fantasy world/role play) but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country. Then many of them seek out public service when their acting careers are washed up. Most of them are blithering idiots that think they can do what they wish. Just because you were able to sell yourself doesn't equate intelligence or good values. This country is going down the sheeter real fast. I'm glad I'm on the downhill side, but I feel bad for younger generations like my grandson.

[BigBo]

Oh and I'm sure it doesn't need to be said, but I'll throw it out there anyways; Al Franken has always been a moron.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by BigBo

Part of the problem is the lines between Hollywood and public service are so blurred. I don't know why (perhaps it's the fantasy world/role play) but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country. Then many of them seek out public service when their acting careers are washed up. Most of them are blithering idiots that think they can do what they wish. Just because you were able to sell yourself doesn't equate intelligence or good values. This country is going down the sheeter real fast. I'm glad I'm on the downhill side, but I feel bad for younger generations like my grandson.

"but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country"

Because they think fame/money is correlated with intelligence/character. It's not. Maybe the studio heads are sharp and talented, but the actors are nothing more than beautiful puppets.

"This country is going down the sheeter real fast."

Our moral compass could use a tune-up, that's for sure.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What the heck do we do, when politicians are accused of sexual harassment, many years earlier? (If your name is Kennedy or Clinton, we do nothing and allow liberals to hail you as a hero, but let's save that).

Part of me says where there's smoke there's fire, so we should kick them to the curb. But that encourages people in the other party to fabricate claims. Part of me says you are innocent until proven guilty.

Would be awfully nice if we had one set of rules in these cases, that applied to both parties.

You could add dozens of past presidents to that list and based of the video leaked of Trump saying he could do anything, I’m sort of surprised some women have come out of his closet
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[BigBo]

Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump.

[Guppy]

I guess you can't pat a girl on the butt anymore to figure out if she'll go out with ya,,, what's this world coming to?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by BigBo

Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump.

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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Moore is a democrat??
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[BigBo]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Moore is a democrat??
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by BigBo

Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump.

My point is men in power, whether it's the sitting president of the USA or Hollywood biggest movie studio, or my X boss who was a big time pig; they all feel above the law or their own companies HR policies.

[wdmso]

Can you grope body armor ? And can you say you were groped when you were never physically touched ? Or is that air groping ? You can say not funny jump to sexual assault i would say no

About Moore my only comment is 14yrs old

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My point is men in power, whether it's the sitting president of the USA or Hollywood biggest movie studio, or my X boss who was a big time pig; they all feel above the law or their own companies HR policies.

Totally agree. Times are changing for the better.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by BigBo

You didn't know Pres. Kennedy and Clinton were democrats?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Just what you want to see in a US Senator.

We (BOTH sides) need a better way to pick people of character...

Were was this rational thought before the election ?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Were was this rational thought before the election ?

We elected Eisenhower. We weren't always this,,,I don't know the word anymore...stupid? Shallow?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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The title of the thread includes one republican and one democrat. That's not balanced enough?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Can you grope body armor ? And can you say you were groped when you were never physically touched ? Or is that air groping ? You can say not funny jump to sexual assault i would say no

Sorry I don't have a picture of him jamming his tongue down her throat....but maybe one will surface
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[Jim in CT]

And NOW, after all this time, liberals are starting to call out Bill Clinton. Now that he serves no purpose. There is nothing more intellectually bankrupt, than someone who defended him for 25 years, who criticizes him now. Now that the GOP is running everything, NOW the liberals are saying that sexual harassment is not something we want in our politicians.

These people have no shame. None.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The title of the thread includes one republican and one democrat. That's not balanced enough?

Why ruin it by mentioning 2 democratic presidents when it seems like both bushes, Reagan and Trump have all been accused.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And NOW, after all this time, liberals are starting to call out Bill Clinton. Now that he serves no purpose. There is nothing more intellectually bankrupt, than someone who defended him for 25 years, who criticizes him now. Now that the GOP is running everything, NOW the liberals are saying that sexual harassment is not something we want in our politicians.

These people have no shame. None.

How many women accused you're recently elected Republican president was it 16 or 19? You even have him on tape saying you just walk up and grab them by the p$$$$! Have the Republicans no shame? Ever hear of Anita Hill?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many women accused you're recently elected Republican president was it 16 or 19? You even have him on tape saying you just walk up and grab them by the p$$$$! Have the Republicans no shame? Ever hear of Anita Hill?
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Here's the difference Paul, and it's a huge difference. Many, many many influential Republicans attacked Trump for this. Many many many influential Republicans didn't vote for him. Show me that same outrage for Bill Clinton (back then, when it mattered) from influential liberals? Good luck. Gloria Steinem for Gods sake, wrote a huge essay defending Bill Clinton. Probably the most famous "feminist" alive, was a huge Bill Clinton supporter.

You're fighting a losing battle on this issue...

Anita Hill? She was quite possibly making it all up.

[nightfighter]

First off, in no way do I condone what Franken did.....
That said, has anyone besides me googled his accuser and clicked through her images? I am NOT saying this is reason to harass or anything, but.... how many millions has she received from those photos? What was she selling?

And further playing devil's advocate...this was in 2006? Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?) Seems the chance to grasp at a gold medal (and the millions that she will reap from them over her lifetime) was worth more than coming forward back then. If that was my daughter, I would done that man some serious damage, insuring he would never touch another girl again.....

[PaulS]

Anita Hill was a reluctant Witness, totally credible and got hammered. Trump was attacked just as much because they did not like him for his politics. He still won the Republican primaries when they had conservatives, moderates, women, African-Americans etc.etc there was a lot of choices other than Trump and he still got millions and millions of votes. Look at the evangelicals defending moore.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?)..

Until very recently the accuser always was never believed unless they had actual pictures or video excetera. Now it's changed and as I said earlier for the better. I think women have now felt empowered to come out they're seeing that there's no shame in being molested. They're seeing these other women come out and thinking how Brave it is of them to do it . Certainly some of their stories may not be as good as others but I think it takes a brave person to go in front of the camera and tell their story.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Until very recently the accuser always was never believed unless they had actual pictures or video excetera.

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this is not true...and that's odd grammar

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

First off, in no way do I condone what Franken did.....
That said, has anyone besides me googled his accuser and clicked through her images? I am NOT saying this is reason to harass or anything, but.... how many millions has she received from those photos? What was she selling?

And further playing devil's advocate...this was in 2006? Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?) Seems the chance to grasp at a gold medal (and the millions that she will reap from them over her lifetime) was worth more than coming forward back then. If that was my daughter, I would done that man some serious damage, insuring he would never touch another girl again.....

most of theses women see their is safety in Numbers less stigma and easy to attack 1 women but when multiple women come out on 1 person with the same story thats a game changer

Franken accusers is 1 person she provided the Photo odd

You forcibly kissed me without my consent,(thats an issues)
grabbed my breasts while I was sleeping and had someone take a photo of you doing it,( never touched her breast or even the body armor see photo ) knowing I would see it later ( seem shes had the photo since 2006 ) , and be ashamed.(thats why he took it? to shame her ? by that photo? shes not ashamed of her other phots across the internet?

as this stands its a he said she said incident . and is not the same league as the people with multiple accusers . no matter how hard some try to lump them together

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Franken accusers is 1 person she provided the Photo odd

as this stands its a he said she said incident . and is not the same league as the people with multiple accusers . no matter how hard some try to lump them together

I think he has another accuser ....probably more as time goes on?...isn't that how this goes now?..look at Spacey

regarding Moore....don't know why anyone, particularly on the left, would be at all surprised...isn't the condescending Northeast Liberal and Hollywood frequent caricaturization of southerners as hayseed hick goobers who date and molest young women, particularly relatives?...this should just confirm their beliefs....

on the other hand...when the high minded, pontificating, highly evolved, condescending Northeast Liberal/Hollywood types who are generally "BETTER PEOPLE" engage in this abhorrent behavior....well...what are we to think?...though we know this has been the norm for a LONG time