"Enemy of the people"

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

"Trumper and uses the same leaky propagandist language to make his slanted left notions sound plausible. " I have been suggesting all along he has been doing what this guy states in his book ... before his book came out funny how that works and if one opens ones eyes its not that hard to see ..

If you read the whole book, could you spare us the trouble of having to do so and boil it down to the essence of what it says and give a few examples so that we might discuss it.

I read the introduction and found myself disagreeing with most of what he said either outright or on his interpretations. I agree that the so-called crisis of democracy was gathering worldwide for quite a while, and I have said several times that what was happening in this country was bringing on the destruction of our constitutional democracy, our particular brand of democracy--that the Progressive movement of gathering the bulk of power into a centralized form of government which funneled into the expanding power of the President, and the expectation that the President had become THE ONE, the doer of everything--that our system of checks and balances was being nullified. I warned that the left which has brought about this consolidation of power could regret it when a President was elected who opposed them. No one on the left cared, nor did anyone else who liked it, when Presidents or Congress or government in general, ran roughshod over the Constitution so long as it satisfied some personal gain.

The threat to liberal democracy was not about Trump, it was about individuals willingly transferring their power, their freedom and responsibilities, to more centralized governmental power in some Faustian promise of security and comfort.

If Trump has somehow embodied that threat to democracy, it is, as Frum suggests, because of the nature of the voters. But those who voted for him are the ones who were dissatisfied with what had happened to their constitutional freedoms, their democracy. And for Frum to critique Trump as President (before he has a chance at actually being one) because of his style and personal misgivings, is a bit of the cart before the horse. So far, in the brief time in office, he appears to be restoring power back to the people with a trimming down of the regulatory bureaucracy, his choice of judges, his lowering of taxes, his EOs such as restoring some religious liberties.

" He is part of the elitist, Lite-To-Heavy-Progressive RINO wing of the party " you are true Trumpanzee Typical GOP haters

I am a lover of American constitutional democracy, not dictatorial democracy based on mob rule fueled and ruled by various socialist brands of elitists and technocrats who decide what is best for us. If that is what a Trumanzee is, I'm fine with being one.

when you need to make your response on an on a whole page
its no longer a point its a complete defense ..

The on and on were responses to, I presume, defenders of Frum or of whatever unidentified something. The complete defense I make is of our American constitutional form of democracy, not democracy in general.

sorry this wasn't a youtube videos you love to post, which you tend to put a lot of weight behind .. their never slanted

You post a lot of stuff (most of which I consider crap or which you don't even understand and misinterpret) and on which you tend to put a lot weight behind . . . and is slanted.

At least I try to discuss what you post. You mostly avoid discussing videos I post and just make offhand snide remarks. I tried your method in my first reply to you in this post. But you somehow dragged me into some discussion. That's my fault . . . like what Frum says Trump does, you went after my weakness of actually trying to have a discussion.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You post a lot of stuff (most of which I consider crap or which you don't even understand and misinterpret) and on which you tend to put a lot weight behind . . . and is slanted.

At least I try to discuss what you post. You mostly avoid discussing videos I post and just make offhand snide remarks. I tried your method in my first reply to you in this post. But you somehow dragged me into some discussion. That's my fault . . . like what Frum says Trump does, you went after my weakness of actually trying to have a discussion.

you may think I dislike Trump because he is a republican I do not

I dislike him for his actions and his words and his open attacks on our Government and his attacks against the constitution you speak of fondly . He is a great threat to America hidden in a nationalist cloak



"You post a lot of stuff (most of which I consider crap or which you don't even understand and misinterpret )

thanks for I am smarter than you line

these are not internet conspiracies Like your birthers movement or the POTUS is a Muslim or pizza shop children sex ring ran by Hillary

these are actionable statements policy directives presented by respected people.. not you tube stars


So far, in the brief time in office, he appears to be restoring power back to the people with a trimming down of the regulatory bureaucracy, his choice of judges, his lowering of taxes, his EOs such as restoring some religious liberties.

you see this as a positive because your anti GOP every ones a rino only Tump can save us from this path ?

I see is as an attempt to go back in time to a place that never existed.. to correct a problem that doesn't exist .. all for the base who praise him

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Originally Posted by wdmso

these are actionable statements policy directives presented by respected people.. not you tube stars

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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you may think I dislike Trump because he is a republican I do not

I never said you dislike Trump because he is a Republican. Nor have I ever said that I like Trump. What makes you think that I don't dislike Trump? Whether I like him or not is irrelevant to why I voted for him. That you frame it as a matter of liking suggests how shallow you view my reasons, and maybe how shallow are yours.

I dislike him for his actions and his words and his open attacks on our Government and his attacks against the constitution you speak of fondly.

Attacking our government would be attacking himself. He is the chief executive officer of our government. Tell me about his attacks on the Constitution. Your notion that the Constitution is up for the grabs of the personal prejudices of a Judge tells me that you consider the Constitution merely as some script for a Broadway play which can be "interpreted" to mean whatever a critic says it means.

He is a great threat to America hidden in a nationalist cloak

You used your own words, I presume, to proffer that opinion. Now try using your own words to give substance to that opinion.

"You post a lot of stuff (most of which I consider crap or which you don't even understand and misinterpret )

thanks for I am smarter than you line

You're welcome.

these are not internet conspiracies Like your birthers movement or the POTUS is a Muslim or pizza shop children sex ring ran by Hillary

When have I supported any of those theories? Why use the straw man? Unless you can substantiate that Trump is a great threat to America, it would just be a "conspiracy" theory by those who oppose him.

these are actionable statements policy directives presented by respected people.. not you tube stars

What are you talking about?

So far, in the brief time in office, he appears to be restoring power back to the people with a trimming down of the regulatory bureaucracy, his choice of judges, his lowering of taxes, his EOs such as restoring some religious liberties.

you see this as a positive because your anti GOP every ones a rino only Tump can save us from this path ?

I see it as a positive because it is a positive. What I think of the GOP or RINOs has nothing to do with how I see it. And I certainly don't think Trump is the only one who could create a positive path.

I see is as an attempt to go back in time to a place that never existed.. to correct a problem that doesn't exist .. all for the base who praise him

Not sure what you mean by this rambling opinion. Would trying to cure someone of alcoholism be an attempt to go back in a time and place that never existed. Would healing a broken body be an attempt to go back to a time and place that never existed.

Here, as you often do, you have disgorged a bunch of unsubstantiated opinions that seem to stick in your craw. I guess that makes you feel better.