In pictures: US gun-blessing ceremony

[wdmso]

"I like taking guns away early," Trump said. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."

And the crowd REPUBLICANS AND THE NRA go crazy

And for the 10000 thousand time we will be told what he ment to say

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

"I like taking guns away early," Trump said. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."

And the crowd REPUBLICANS AND THE NRA go crazy

And for the 10000 thousand time we will be told what he ment to say

Fox News told him to say it.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Fox News told him to say it.

Your catching on quick

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your catching on quick

I'm beginning to wonder if you, your version of Fox News, and Trump are working in tandem. Y'all say one thing at a given time and contradict it at another time.

Sounds like a conspiracy . . . Y'all really want to disinform us to create mass confusion and then sneak in and bring in a new world order, don't ya?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your catching on quick

Foxnews told Trump to support the idea of confiscating legally-acquired property, before the individual has received due process? That's what you're saying?

Of course the 2A people went berserk. If today, we can take away your second amendment rights without giving you the benefit of due process, maybe tomorrow someone can take away another constitutional right of yours, without due process, maybe freedom of speech? Or protection from cruel and unusual punishment?

I don't like guns being in the hands of weird people. But I don't like the idea of ignoring the parts of the Constitution we don't happen to like at the moment, either. Neither should you. Because if we can ignore it when we feel like it, then it serves no purpose.

[wdmso]

Russian politician Alexander Torshin said his ties to the NRA provided him access to Donald Trump — and the opportunity to serve as a foreign election observer in the United States during the 2012 election.

These revelations come amid news that the FBI is investigating whether Torshin, the deputy governor of the Bank of Russia, illegally funneled money to the NRA to assist the Trump campaign in 2016,

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I don't like guns being in the hands of weird people. But I don't like the idea of ignoring the parts of the Constitution we don't happen to like at the moment, either. Neither should you. Because if we can ignore it when we feel like it, then it serves no purpose.

QUOTE=scottw;1138130]PARKLAND, Fla. — Broward County deputies received at least 18 calls warning them about Nikolas Cruz from 2008 to 2017, including concerns that he "planned to shoot up the school" and other threats and acts of violence before he was accused of killing 17 people at a high school.

The warnings, made by concerned people close to Cruz, came in phone calls to the Broward County Sheriff's Office, records show. At least five callers mentioned concern over his access to weapons, according to the documents. None of those warnings led to direct intervention.

In February 2016, neighbors told police that they were worried he “planned to shoot up the school” after seeing alarming pictures on Instagram showing Cruz brandishing guns.

About two months later, an unidentified caller told police that Cruz had been collecting guns and knives. The caller was “concerned (Cruz) will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making,” according to call details released by the Sheriff's

My statement

The NRA and 2nd supporters would have pitched a fit if they took his guns over instargram, or Internet posts yelling confiscation or FREEDOM of speech. .. they are now blaming everyone else . To insulate them from the laws they supported which gave assistance and legal standing for Cruz to have what he had .... law enforcement was toothless until he committed a crime ...

And I was told UMMMMN NO they would not if they took Cruzs guns based on a callers concerns ... then RI passes a Red flag measure to head off possible shooters and the response was as suggestec

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Foxnews told Trump to support the idea of confiscating legally-acquired property, before the individual has received due process? That's what you're saying?

Of course the 2A people went berserk. If today, we can take away your second amendment rights without giving you the benefit of due process, maybe tomorrow someone can take away another constitutional right of yours, without due process, maybe freedom of speech? Or protection from cruel and unusual punishment?

I don't like guns being in the hands of weird people. But I don't like the idea of ignoring the parts of the Constitution we don't happen to like at the moment, either. Neither should you. Because if we can ignore it when we feel like it, then it serves no purpose.

Told him to change his mind

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Told him to change his mind

Gotcha.

Well if they told him to change his imnd, I would be in agreement. Due process has to come before we strip constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms from US citizens. The feds can't take something away, and then we petition to get that freedom back.

Due process must come first. The constitution could not be more clear. You disagree?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Gotcha.

Well if they told him to change his imnd, I would be in agreement. Due process has to come before we strip constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms from US citizens. The feds can't take something away, and then we petition to get that freedom back.

Due process must come first. The constitution could not be more clear. You disagree?

It's a slippery slope ...due process ignored the Fla shooter ,,, I know in Mass a 209a protection order or admission to a detox voluntary or in voluntary gets a knock at your door to secure all weapons .... it's automatic . You can get them back via Due process ... but they can't just take them based on a unnamed caller or because some thinks your weird..

so whos rights gets priority those of a possible shooter or those of his potential victum's ?..

Be inconvenienced. In court to get your guns back due process

Be inconvenienced because your dead no due process

The possibility of abuse exists that's why we have courts .. reasonable people who have nothing to hide and operate with in the rules won't be effected .

And I don't buy that the freedom to own a gun is absolute. Or with out restriction
Or the fantasy this leads to taking people's guns .... it's just not based in facts

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Due process has to come before we strip constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms from US citizens.

Apparently not for ALL US citizens because we behind enemy lines in the peoples republic of Massachusetts must have had our due process by legislation with regards to owning a piece of plastic known as a bump stock. Most every firearms permit holder got their letter in the mail. I felt like mailing it back to them with a rubber band or a belt loop(seeing how they can accomplish the same effect), but we all know passing the law was not about safety but about optics and rushing to feel good about doing something. And Trump is just like them with his stupid statement about ignoring due process.
There is no shortage of tyrants in this state.
Judges that ignore or make their own interpretations of the Constitution are the ones who are dangerous to our country.