Gun-Trained Teacher Accidentally Shoots Gun In Calif. High School Classroom

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy you guys really need to book a ring at the local gym and have at it, getting a bit too personal in the attacks, as opposed to discussing what we personally feel is a good approach. Then we have to be honest, because nothing said or discussed here will make it's way to the white house, not unless there are changes in the way the people on capitol hill vote on gun regulations. That hasn't changed much in a very long time, although the youth coming out speaking and marching, regardless of whether you think they should be in school learning something instead, are probably making a few politicians sit up and take notice. Those same teens are going to be of voting age in the very near future and it will be interesting to see if that changes the way we as a society vote on these types of issues or on who we elect to vote for changes.

Education is underfunded to begin with, so putting money at hardening schools if it detracts from other necessary school funding, isn't money well spent. We still are talking about that one teen or that one adult who is likely known by someone to be not quite right and has access to weapons, yet they slide right under the radar until they snap. If they want into a school, there a dozens of ways in besides the front door, just pick a window. Put some money into trying hard to cure the stupid arse parents that allow these fragile teens to have access to their guns, although it's very hard to cure stupid.

I'm not suggesting guns are the problem, it's a social problem that is generating these violent attacks and the media sensationalizing each and every one IMHO only provides a push to yet another troubled teen from going out in a blaze of TV glory to make the bullies pay. I know many will cringe at my stating I see no reason for the general public to be owning assault rifles or the ability to turn them from semi to fully automatic weapons and that as we know has been beaten to the point that dead horse isn't even recognizable as a horse any longer. But that's my right as it is yours to oppose it.

I don't agree that 21 is the right age, if you can serve our country and pick up a weapon to defend our rights, you have the right to buy a gun. If you have been dishonorably discharges and have mental issues, then I think you have just blown your right to own a weapon.

I'd rather see the money people want to throw at hardening schools put into mental health programs, something to help that troubled teen cope, or campaigns to shut down the school bullying; putting metal detectors and arm guards isn't going to stop everyone of these attacks.

"Education is underfunded to begin with"

Not in CT it's not. And we had a horrible school shooting. we have a lot of problems in CT, but spending too little on education, isn't one of them. We spend a fortune. It's just not being spent wisely, IMHO.

"Put some money into trying hard to cure the stupid arse parents "

THAT would improve things. But I don't know how you do it, exactly. I don't think it's a problem you solve with money.

"I'm not suggesting guns are the problem, it's a social problem that is generating these violent attacks "

Bingo.

"it's very hard to cure stupid. "

Bingo.

"something to help that troubled teen cope, or campaigns to shut down the school bullying"

Bingo.

"putting metal detectors and arm guards isn't going to stop everyone of these attacks"

Neither will making people better parents, neither will anti bullying programs... but they will help. All of your points, including armed guards, has the potential to stop some attacks.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"something to help that troubled teen cope, or campaigns to shut down the school bullying"

Bingo.

some of these things get thrown out there as if they don't exist...

the nations schools have been running "bullying campaigns" for years....

"mental health"......a good number of these shooters are found to be on some prescribed psychological drug which means they have been seen for mental health issues and that they ARE getting "treatment"...

"Cruz had been diagnosed at various times with “developmental disorder,” “depression,” “autism” and “ADHD,” according to a Florida Department of Children and Families Services (DCFS) report." For years, Cruz had been a client at Henderson Behavioral Health in Florida, until the fall of 2017.

For years, there were reports of his self-harm, cutting his arms, trouble controlling his temper, aggression, assaulting students, verbal abuse, banging his head, and yet in 2016, a therapist with Henderson Mental Health “deemed Nikolas to be no threat to anyone or himself at this present time,” according to the police report.

Teachers disciplined him and referred him to counseling and police responded to at least 36 emergency 911 calls to his home over a six year period."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

some of these things get thrown out there as if they don't exist...

the nations schools have been running "bullying campaigns" for years....

"mental health"......a good number of these shooters are found to be on some prescribed psychological drug which means they have been seen for mental health issues and that they ARE getting "treatment"...

"Cruz had been diagnosed at various times with “developmental disorder,” “depression,” “autism” and “ADHD,” according to a Florida Department of Children and Families Services (DCFS) report." For years, Cruz had been a client at Henderson Behavioral Health in Florida, until the fall of 2017.

For years, there were reports of his self-harm, cutting his arms, trouble controlling his temper, aggression, assaulting students, verbal abuse, banging his head, and yet in 2016, a therapist with Henderson Mental Health “deemed Nikolas to be no threat to anyone or himself at this present time,” according to the police report.

Teachers disciplined him and referred him to counseling and police responded to at least 36 emergency 911 calls to his home over a six year period."

"some of these things get thrown out there as if they don't exist..."

true. I am sure we are better at reducing bullying than we used to be. But we can put a renewed emphasis on it and do better, I think that's the point.

As for Cruz, if we couldn't pick up on those red flags, then we stink.