Gun-Trained Teacher Accidentally Shoots Gun In Calif. High School Classroom

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

so explain to everyone how you would have prevented this tragedy

not had a loaded gun where a 9 year could get it .. or is that to difficult to understand

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

not had a loaded gun where a 9 year could get it .. or is that to difficult to understand

so how would you go about that in this situation?

[scottw]

I'm putting you in charge...how are you..Wayne...going to ensure that the parent(s) of this boy (and remember, this is Mississippi..THOSE people are really backward and stupid...it's the south) don't have a loaded gun in their house that he can access?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This is current day liberalism, this is almost all that it is. It's not about solving problems by addressing the root cause, it's about finding a boogeyman to rally against, and creating the illusion that everyone who isn't on the side of the liberals, is in bed with the boogeyman..it's about creating divisiveness, that's all it is.

Want secure borders? You must by a xenophobe.
Opposed to Black Lives Matter? You are a racist.
Think Christian bakers have constitutional rights? You are a homophobe.
Think unborn babies are precious? You are a sexist who hates women.
Think Islamic jihadists are an issue? You are an Islamophobe.
Think schools should not be promoting liberal rallies during school time, but instead should be, I don't know, teaching? You don't care about dead kids. Shame on you Scott. Shame on you.

It's not about solving problems by addressing the root cause,

thats funny you cant even agree on what the root cause is ,,, But you just puke up every conservative talking point ,,, as if it was 2nd nature .. you must wear flip flops and tinfoil hats daily

Try thinking for yourself you might like it

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm putting you in charge...how are you..Wayne...going to ensure that the parent(s) of this boy (and remember, this is Mississippi..THOSE people are really backward and stupid...it's the south) don't have a loaded gun in their house that he can access?

Obviously he needs to organize a march on Washington and have a school walkout day.

It really is the only answer to parental stupidity.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm putting you in charge...how are you..Wayne...going to ensure that the parent(s) of this boy (and remember, this is Mississippi..THOSE people are really backward and stupid...it's the south) don't have a loaded gun in their house that he can access?

I forgot we shall not infringe.. so my 1st idea is un expectable and accidental deaths are baked into the 2a cake ...

I am happy it wasn't a Knife he used you may have lost it

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I forgot we shall not infringe.. so my 1st idea is un expectable and accidental deaths are baked into the 2a cake ...

forget the second amendment...you are in charge...what would you do?

[Got Stripers]

Boy you guys really need to book a ring at the local gym and have at it, getting a bit too personal in the attacks, as opposed to discussing what we personally feel is a good approach. Then we have to be honest, because nothing said or discussed here will make it's way to the white house, not unless there are changes in the way the people on capitol hill vote on gun regulations. That hasn't changed much in a very long time, although the youth coming out speaking and marching, regardless of whether you think they should be in school learning something instead, are probably making a few politicians sit up and take notice. Those same teens are going to be of voting age in the very near future and it will be interesting to see if that changes the way we as a society vote on these types of issues or on who we elect to vote for changes.

Education is underfunded to begin with, so putting money at hardening schools if it detracts from other necessary school funding, isn't money well spent. We still are talking about that one teen or that one adult who is likely known by someone to be not quite right and has access to weapons, yet they slide right under the radar until they snap. If they want into a school, there a dozens of ways in besides the front door, just pick a window. Put some money into trying hard to cure the stupid arse parents that allow these fragile teens to have access to their guns, although it's very hard to cure stupid.

I'm not suggesting guns are the problem, it's a social problem that is generating these violent attacks and the media sensationalizing each and every one IMHO only provides a push to yet another troubled teen from going out in a blaze of TV glory to make the bullies pay. I know many will cringe at my stating I see no reason for the general public to be owning assault rifles or the ability to turn them from semi to fully automatic weapons and that as we know has been beaten to the point that dead horse isn't even recognizable as a horse any longer. But that's my right as it is yours to oppose it.

I don't agree that 21 is the right age, if you can serve our country and pick up a weapon to defend our rights, you have the right to buy a gun. If you have been dishonorably discharges and have mental issues, then I think you have just blown your right to own a weapon.

I'd rather see the money people want to throw at hardening schools put into mental health programs, something to help that troubled teen cope, or campaigns to shut down the school bullying; putting metal detectors and arm guards isn't going to stop everyone of these attacks.

[scottw]

what are you talking about?...I just put Wayne in charge...we're awaiting his executive action.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It's not about solving problems by addressing the root cause,

thats funny you cant even agree on what the root cause is ,,, But you just puke up every conservative talking point ,,, as if it was 2nd nature .. you must wear flip flops and tinfoil hats daily

Try thinking for yourself you might like it

"thats funny you cant even agree on what the root cause is "

Give me a major issue, I'll tell you what the root cause is?

Gun violence causes - stupid parents, single parents, no parents, the internet, violence in the entertainment industry, as well as stupidly easy access to bump stocks and high capacity magazines. We have too many weapons of mass murder, but we also have a cultural problem.

"Try thinking for yourself you might like it"

I do. There are major issues on which I think liberals are right (death penalty, gay marriage, high capacity magazines). If I'm a conservative parrot, why would I feel that way?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy you guys really need to book a ring at the local gym and have at it, getting a bit too personal in the attacks, as opposed to discussing what we personally feel is a good approach. Then we have to be honest, because nothing said or discussed here will make it's way to the white house, not unless there are changes in the way the people on capitol hill vote on gun regulations. That hasn't changed much in a very long time, although the youth coming out speaking and marching, regardless of whether you think they should be in school learning something instead, are probably making a few politicians sit up and take notice. Those same teens are going to be of voting age in the very near future and it will be interesting to see if that changes the way we as a society vote on these types of issues or on who we elect to vote for changes.

Education is underfunded to begin with, so putting money at hardening schools if it detracts from other necessary school funding, isn't money well spent. We still are talking about that one teen or that one adult who is likely known by someone to be not quite right and has access to weapons, yet they slide right under the radar until they snap. If they want into a school, there a dozens of ways in besides the front door, just pick a window. Put some money into trying hard to cure the stupid arse parents that allow these fragile teens to have access to their guns, although it's very hard to cure stupid.

I'm not suggesting guns are the problem, it's a social problem that is generating these violent attacks and the media sensationalizing each and every one IMHO only provides a push to yet another troubled teen from going out in a blaze of TV glory to make the bullies pay. I know many will cringe at my stating I see no reason for the general public to be owning assault rifles or the ability to turn them from semi to fully automatic weapons and that as we know has been beaten to the point that dead horse isn't even recognizable as a horse any longer. But that's my right as it is yours to oppose it.

I don't agree that 21 is the right age, if you can serve our country and pick up a weapon to defend our rights, you have the right to buy a gun. If you have been dishonorably discharges and have mental issues, then I think you have just blown your right to own a weapon.

I'd rather see the money people want to throw at hardening schools put into mental health programs, something to help that troubled teen cope, or campaigns to shut down the school bullying; putting metal detectors and arm guards isn't going to stop everyone of these attacks.

"Education is underfunded to begin with"

Not in CT it's not. And we had a horrible school shooting. we have a lot of problems in CT, but spending too little on education, isn't one of them. We spend a fortune. It's just not being spent wisely, IMHO.

"Put some money into trying hard to cure the stupid arse parents "

THAT would improve things. But I don't know how you do it, exactly. I don't think it's a problem you solve with money.

"I'm not suggesting guns are the problem, it's a social problem that is generating these violent attacks "

Bingo.

"it's very hard to cure stupid. "

Bingo.

"something to help that troubled teen cope, or campaigns to shut down the school bullying"

Bingo.

"putting metal detectors and arm guards isn't going to stop everyone of these attacks"

Neither will making people better parents, neither will anti bullying programs... but they will help. All of your points, including armed guards, has the potential to stop some attacks.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"something to help that troubled teen cope, or campaigns to shut down the school bullying"

Bingo.

some of these things get thrown out there as if they don't exist...

the nations schools have been running "bullying campaigns" for years....

"mental health"......a good number of these shooters are found to be on some prescribed psychological drug which means they have been seen for mental health issues and that they ARE getting "treatment"...

"Cruz had been diagnosed at various times with “developmental disorder,” “depression,” “autism” and “ADHD,” according to a Florida Department of Children and Families Services (DCFS) report." For years, Cruz had been a client at Henderson Behavioral Health in Florida, until the fall of 2017.

For years, there were reports of his self-harm, cutting his arms, trouble controlling his temper, aggression, assaulting students, verbal abuse, banging his head, and yet in 2016, a therapist with Henderson Mental Health “deemed Nikolas to be no threat to anyone or himself at this present time,” according to the police report.

Teachers disciplined him and referred him to counseling and police responded to at least 36 emergency 911 calls to his home over a six year period."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

some of these things get thrown out there as if they don't exist...

the nations schools have been running "bullying campaigns" for years....

"mental health"......a good number of these shooters are found to be on some prescribed psychological drug which means they have been seen for mental health issues and that they ARE getting "treatment"...

"Cruz had been diagnosed at various times with “developmental disorder,” “depression,” “autism” and “ADHD,” according to a Florida Department of Children and Families Services (DCFS) report." For years, Cruz had been a client at Henderson Behavioral Health in Florida, until the fall of 2017.

For years, there were reports of his self-harm, cutting his arms, trouble controlling his temper, aggression, assaulting students, verbal abuse, banging his head, and yet in 2016, a therapist with Henderson Mental Health “deemed Nikolas to be no threat to anyone or himself at this present time,” according to the police report.

Teachers disciplined him and referred him to counseling and police responded to at least 36 emergency 911 calls to his home over a six year period."

"some of these things get thrown out there as if they don't exist..."

true. I am sure we are better at reducing bullying than we used to be. But we can put a renewed emphasis on it and do better, I think that's the point.

As for Cruz, if we couldn't pick up on those red flags, then we stink.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

what are you talking about?...I just put Wayne in charge...we're awaiting his executive action.....

you still haven't caught on to the intent of the post


Monroe County Sheriff Cecil Cantrell told the Clarion Ledger.

He blamed it on video games or TV. not the availability of of guns not the parents or the weapon being unsecured and loaded

but on TV and Video game .. amazing

go back to an assault weapon ban wont stop everything but those pesky numbers show it worked to reduce incidents

1994-2004, there were only 12 incidents – about one per year – due to assault weapons, totaling some 89 deaths.

In the decade following, however, both numbers spiked. From 2004-2014, there were 34 incidents involving assault weapons – and over 300 deaths.

[scottw]

it had nothing to do with assault weapons did it? "she had been shot with a .25 calibre handgun, according to Mississippi news source the Clarion-Ledger."

once again...


forget the second amendment...you are in charge...what would you do?

[Sea Dangles]

Answer the question and stop deflecting.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

He's working on it, and it's going to be epic.

Probably has fricken sharks with laser beams on their heads.
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[wdmso]

you guys are to funny asking for solutions to a problem you insist doesn't exist .. and then try to sell yourselves a honest brokers in the conversation.. who's only response to anything gun is "Shall not infringe"

but Mississippi passes strictest abortion law.. more protection for the un born then the living but here are their fire arm requirements

long guns handguns
Background checks required for private sales? No No
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Owner license required? No No Carry permits required? No No

Change all these to yes .... but we all know nothing 100% when you start with zero expectations you have poor results

Mississippi 4th in U.S. gun deaths: must be TV and Video games and nothing to do with household gun ownership rate of 54.3

The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2016 was Alaska, followed by Alabama. Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership, VPC said. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Massachusetts, followed by New York. Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and a lower rate of gun ownership,

Damn those pesky statistics showing laws help to reduce gun deaths not eliminate guns deaths ...

Scott you have my answer on how to prevention shooting deaths in that state

Do you have a solution? or do you think there is no problem to start with

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Answer the question and stop deflecting.
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whats your answer to the same question ? Scott asked me since you dipped your toe into the water

[Sea Dangles]

Good answer
Critical thinker
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

but Mississippi passes strictest abortion law.. more protection for the un born then the living but here are their fire arm requirements

long guns handguns
Background checks required for private sales? No No
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Owner license required? No No Carry permits required? No No

Mississippi 4th in U.S. gun deaths: must be TV and Video games and nothing to do with household gun ownership rate of 54.3

Mississippi is #5 on the list of highest unemployment, #2 on Highest Obesity, #2 on Welfare and #6 on the worst states for Overall Mental Health

Maybe if these Crazy Fat %#!@ stopped s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the government teat and got a job they wouldn't be shooting each other. (somewhere an SJW's kitten just exploded)

I know this was my usual tongue in cheek sarcasm but it does speak to maybe a quality of life issue being an underlying factor as well. But we can't discuss that.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you guys are to funny asking for solutions to a problem you insist doesn't exist .. and then try to sell yourselves a honest brokers in the conversation.. who's only response to anything gun is "Shall not infringe"

but Mississippi passes strictest abortion law.. more protection for the un born then the living but here are their fire arm requirements

long guns handguns
Background checks required for private sales? No No
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Owner license required? No No Carry permits required? No No

Change all these to yes .... but we all know nothing 100% when you start with zero expectations you have poor results

Mississippi 4th in U.S. gun deaths: must be TV and Video games and nothing to do with household gun ownership rate of 54.3

The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2016 was Alaska, followed by Alabama. Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership, VPC said. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Massachusetts, followed by New York. Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and a lower rate of gun ownership,

Damn those pesky statistics showing laws help to reduce gun deaths not eliminate guns deaths ...

Scott you have my answer on how to prevention shooting deaths in that state

Do you have a solution? or do you think there is no problem to start with

No Wayne, you always insist that the honest people that have done nothing wrong give stuff up.

Funny how if you remove firearms the rate of death or injury by firearm goes down. If you remove cars the accident rate goes down too. Remove cell phones and I might not have had to dodge a teen with a car and an iphone the other day.

Now take your stats and do murders by firearm. All your stats include suicide - which is by far thew highest cause of gun deaths.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

All your stats include suicide - which is by far thew highest cause of gun deaths.

Are you suggesting that there is politically motivated manipulation taking place? Get out of here...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you guys are to funny asking for solutions to a problem you insist doesn't exist when has anyone suggested that a problem does not exist? .. and then try to sell yourselves a honest brokers in the conversation.. who's only response to anything gun is "Shall not infringe" when was the last time anyone responded this way?

but Mississippi passes strictest abortion law.. more protection for the un born then the living but here are their fire arm requirements this is idiotic...can we start referring to leftists and the un dead?
it fits if you think about it

long guns handguns
Background checks required for private sales? No No
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Owner license required? No No Carry permits required? No No

Change all these to yes .... but we all know nothing 100% when you start with zero expectations you have poor results

Mississippi 4th in U.S. gun deaths you realize that someone has to be ..right?: must be TV and Video games and nothing to do with household gun ownership rate of 54.3 "gun deaths"... question..do you think that if you are shot you have a better chance of getting to a good hospital quickly and getting good treatment if you are in Mississippi or Massachusetts?"

The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2016 was Alaska, followed by Alabama. Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention what exactly is a "gun violence prevention law"laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership, VPC said. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Massachusetts, followed by New York.I'd repeat what I mentioned above Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and a lower rate of gun ownership,

Damn those pesky statistics showing laws help to reduce gun deaths not eliminate guns deaths ... Maryland has the third or 4th strictest gun laws in the country, just had a school shooting and is home to the most dangerous city in america according to USA today recently...

Scott you have my answer on how to prevention shooting deaths in that state

Do you have a solution? or do you think there is no problem to start with

you completely ignored the question again, which simply was...what would you do...since YOU brought it up...that would prevent this little boy from losing his mind and getting a gun and shooting his sister....he could have thrown her out a window....would your "solution" be more restrictive access to windows for everyone in Mississippi?

you listed the same old thing...none of which addressed or would cure or "solve" the boy's anger or the negligence of the parent(s)

I'm curious to know what your "so my 1st idea is un expectable" may be...1st ideas and inclinations are usually the best...

[JohnR]

BTW Wayne, I'm all for requiring a safe storage solution (gun safe for example).

It is required in some place and just makes sense.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

BTW Wayne, I'm all for requiring a safe storage solution (gun safe for example).

It is required in some place and just makes sense.

it does make sense...how do you enforce this?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by scottw

it does make sense...how do you enforce this?

When a nine year old walks in the bedroom and grabs a handgun and shoots his 13 year old sister in the back of the head you arrest the owner for improper storage. Kind of like the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent to murder, it might deter a person from leaving the handgun where a child can access it.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by zimmy

When a nine year old walks in the bedroom and grabs a handgun and shoots his 13 year old sister in the back of the head you arrest the owner for improper storage. Kind of like the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent to murder, it might deter a person from leaving the handgun where a child can access it.

The term is called “accessory to murder”
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by scottw

it does make sense...how do you enforce this?

It is only enforceable in the event something happens and then becomes an add on charge like so many other gun laws.
But at least there is a known rule about it and not just relying on common sense since we know that sure is lacking today.

It's pretty sad that in this state it seems like law abiding gun owners have to be paranoid about accidentally having one piece of empty .22 brass shell laying in a crevice somewhere and being in violation of ammo storage laws.

That is a very sad story of those kids, something is terribly wrong today when these things happen, if he used a hammer it would have been just as terrible. Long ago a kid did something similar to a sibling with a hammer after seeing Curly on the Three Stooges getting hit on the head by Moe, you can't think that video games have zero part in this thought process of a child of 9 years old. So the Sheriff is right to question all the facts. I don't see where he said let's blame video games. Just the same as the anti's blaming the NRA and lawful gun owners after a school shooting.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by zimmy

When a nine year old walks in the bedroom and grabs a handgun and shoots his 13 year old sister in the back of the head you arrest the owner for improper storage.totally agreeKind of like the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent to murder, it "might"? deter a person from leaving the handgun where a child can access it.

that assumes that people who are dumb enough to leave loaded hand guns laying around where little children can access them are going to going to care that there is a law requiring a safe storage solution....

wait...I thought the death penalty is not a deterrent "A 2009 survey of criminologists revealed that over 88% believed the death penalty was NOT a deterrent to murder."