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03-23-2018, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Jim we all do things because we are pressured by society.
The groups you join reward you for correct behavior.
We as a society are a group and for hundreds of years have rewarded people for good behavior.
It’s important to our society that people fit into certain norms.
Laws are the rules that guide us down the road, not perfectly but it has worked for longer than other self guided governments. I’d like to see it continue
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I agree with everything you said. But I will repeat my question...aren't there already laws (reckless endangerment, maybe?) which make it illegal to leave guns around where children can get them?
Some laws are effective (seat belt laws, as Spence mentioned, God knows how many lives they save), Some laws, for reasons I do not pretend to know, are not as effective.
So what law would you pass, which doesn't already exist, to prevent these things...and how would you enforce it? |
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03-23-2018, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
So what law would you pass, which doesn't already exist, to prevent these things...and how would you enforce it?
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clearly...you could start by banning uneducated white trash from owning any kind of firearm...that would go a long in solving many of the country's problems....enforce it with the death penalty...which would also serve as a deterrent... |
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03-23-2018, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
clearly...you could start by banning uneducated white trash from owning any kind of firearm...that would go a long in solving many of the country's problems....enforce it with the death penalty...which would also serve as a deterrent...
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I'm sure there are still a lot of southerners around who administered those literacy tests to Blacks. Maybe they can help. |
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03-23-2018, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I'm sure there are still a lot of southerners around who administered those literacy tests to Blacks. Maybe they can help.
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Since you brought up the south, blacks, in a discussion about guns and the NRA...
How many high school students who walked out last week, how many of the kids on CNN every night calling for gun control, and how many of their history teachers...are aware of the fact that the NRA helped blacks who lived in the segregated south, by arming them after the racists took their guns? I bet those history teachers know when Stalin and Mao were born, but I bet they don't know that little historical tidbit. |
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03-23-2018, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Since you brought up the south, blacks, in a discussion about guns and the NRA...
How many high school students who walked out last week, how many of the kids on CNN every night calling for gun control, and how many of their history teachers...are aware of the fact that the NRA helped blacks who lived in the segregated south, by arming them after the racists took their guns? I bet those history teachers know when Stalin and Mao were born, but I bet they don't know that little historical tidbit.
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Where you get that info? It seems like you might be promoting teaching of unsubstantiated or false claims. The things I find are more like:
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...n-fact-checks/
The National Rifle Association was "founded by religious leaders who wanted to protect freed slaves from the Ku Klux Klan."
Our rating: Pants on Fire.
This claim was made in 2013 by Harry Alford, president and chief executive officer of the D.C.-based National Black Chamber of Commerce and was shared by the Milwaukee County Republican Party.
We found the NRA itself said it was formed by Union Civil War veterans to improve soldiers’ marksmanship. And we found no evidence that religious leaders founded the NRA to protect freed slaves from the KKK."
Even separate from the issue of the founding of the NRA, I can't find any info that says they helped slaves. Could be true, I just cant find anything on it. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-23-2018, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Where you get that info? It seems like you might be promoting teaching of unsubstantiated or false claims. The things I find are more like:
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...n-fact-checks/
The National Rifle Association was "founded by religious leaders who wanted to protect freed slaves from the Ku Klux Klan."
Our rating: Pants on Fire.
This claim was made in 2013 by Harry Alford, president and chief executive officer of the D.C.-based National Black Chamber of Commerce and was shared by the Milwaukee County Republican Party.
We found the NRA itself said it was formed by Union Civil War veterans to improve soldiers’ marksmanship. And we found no evidence that religious leaders founded the NRA to protect freed slaves from the KKK."
Even separate from the issue of the founding of the NRA, I can't find any info that says they helped slaves. Could be true, I just cant find anything on it. |
I don’t think I sad anything about how it why it was founded. I said they helped blacks defend themselves. I didn’t know that was in dispute, I’ve seen a lot of blacks claim they got guns from the NRA. In any event, as Paul said, their mission statement is quite different today.
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03-23-2018, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I don’t think I sad anything about how it why it was founded. I said they helped blacks defend themselves. I didn’t know that was in dispute, I’ve seen a lot of blacks claim they got guns from the NRA. In any event, as Paul said, their mission statement is quite different today.
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Right. I pointed out that the only thing I could find was about a bogus claim about the founding of the nra., but I found nothing that even marginally supports your statement that the NRA helped blacks who had their guns taken by racists. You said history teachers know mao and Stalin, but not that tidbit. Where did you get that info? You put it out as fact. You specifically said "aware of the fact..." It is likely a bogus claim related to the false statement about the founding I referenced. Even if true it is irrelevant to the students who walked out 125 years later. Why do you think it is a fact?
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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03-24-2018, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I'm sure there are still a lot of southerners around who administered those literacy tests to Blacks. Maybe they can help.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Since you brought up the south, blacks, in a discussion about guns and the NRA...
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it's amusing that the two of you end up here so often... |
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