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04-18-2018, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
If you look back, does anyone remember who ran against incumbent presidents?
Do you remember any president ever mentioning, a year into his presidency, the opponents in the previous race?
Isn't it kind of odd?
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I'm not getting a clear picture of what you're trying to say, but Bill Clinton and Barack Obama said negative things about the other parties candidates in the previous race. If I recall correctly, it was mentioned at the time that they had broken an understood courtesy of not speaking ill of the previous administration.
In any case, there is this thing referred to as "the first time." Is it odd that something happens for the first time? Actually, don't all things have a first time?
First times often are odd because they are different. Is odd or different bad? What is your point? Are we supposed to be shocked or indignant? |
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04-18-2018, 01:10 PM
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I'm not getting a clear picture of what you're trying to say, but Bill Clinton and Barack Obama said negative things about the other parties candidates in the previous race. If I recall correctly, it was mentioned at the time that they had broken an understood courtesy of not speaking ill of the previous administration.
In any case, there is this thing referred to as "the first time." Is it odd that something happens for the first time? Actually, don't all things have a first time?
First times often are odd because they are different. Is odd or different bad? What is your point? Are we supposed to be shocked or indignant?
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Did they do it daily? To the point where they seemed obsessed by it?
Not counting speeches, off the cuff remarks and press reports from the White house, he has taken time off from golf to twitt 100 times each about Obama and Clinton.
That's why the cry of the Trumplican is "But Hillary" |
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04-18-2018, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
If you look back, does anyone remember who ran against incumbent presidents?
Do you remember any president ever mentioning, a year into his presidency, the opponents in the previous race?
Isn't it kind of odd?
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Do you remember any president ever mentioning a private citizen should be thrown in jail while they were in office? Isn't it kind of odd? |
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04-18-2018, 01:58 PM
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Spence .. he was just speaking his mind. Everyone loves a guy who says what he means. 
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04-18-2018, 02:29 PM
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Do you remember any president ever mentioning a private citizen should be thrown in jail while they were in office? Isn't it kind of odd?
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Isn't a president saying if I had a son he'd look like him..... a little odd
or a president telling a couple of cops who were just doing their jobs that they were acting stupidly...a little odd
Maybe a President telling a young intern 'Hold my Cigar".... a little odd. |
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04-18-2018, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Do you remember any president ever mentioning a private citizen should be thrown in jail while they were in office? Isn't it kind of odd?
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You mean presidents that have thrown their citizens into jail?
Sure,
Vladimir Putin, Russia
Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine
Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela
Kim Jong-un, North Korea
Ali Khamenei, Iran
Yoweri Museveni, Uganda
Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe
Hun Sen, Cambodia
Hosni Mubarak, Egypt |
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04-18-2018, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Isn't a president saying if I had a son he'd look like him..... a little odd
certainly, he is the only black president, which is odd in itself
or a president telling a couple of cops who were just doing their jobs that they were acting stupidly...a little odd
I don't remember which one this is
Maybe a President telling a young intern 'Hold my Cigar".... a little odd.
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Should have just grabbed her.........
All said and done, no president has come close to Trump.
But Hillary............ |
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04-18-2018, 02:50 PM
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The behind is still stinging on all liberals who got spanked by Hillary,that's why guys here are still chasing their tail. Get over it,most likely only a few more years. Just let it go and ride it out.
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04-18-2018, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Did they do it daily? To the point where they seemed obsessed by it?
Yes. Throughout both the Clinton and Obama administrations, they both constantly criticized their predecessors.
Not counting speeches, off the cuff remarks and press reports from the White house, he has taken time off from golf to twitt 100 times each about Obama and Clinton.
His tweets usually use information which already had been disseminated to the public in various forms.
That's why the cry of the Trumplican is "But Hillary"
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This "but . . ." meme is getting tiresome. Especially when most of those who cite it do it themselves. It's not a valid argument but an Alinsky type tactic of ridicule meant to distract and destroy. |
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04-18-2018, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
The behind is still stinging on all liberals who got spanked by Hillary,that's why guys here are still chasing their tail. Get over it,most likely only a few more years. Just let it go and ride it out.
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As usual you really don't add much. |
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04-18-2018, 03:00 PM
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How can anything useful be added to the ad hominem nonsense of referring to what someone has said as "odd."
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04-18-2018, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
I don't remember which one this is
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you don't remember "BeerGate"?
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Should have just grabbed her.........
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isn't that just a "But Trump...." |
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04-18-2018, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
This "but . . ." meme is getting tiresome. Especially when most of those who cite it do it themselves. It's not a valid argument but an Alinsky type tactic of ridicule meant to distract and destroy.
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Oh no, that is so evil sounds like something the evil NEA would suggest.
And the tactic used by Trump, classic rhetoric is better in your mind.
“I was going to say ‘dummy’ Bush; I won’t say it. I won’t say it,”
“I refuse to call Megyn Kelly a bimbo, because that would not be politically correct,”
“Unlike others, I never attacked dopey Jon Stewart for his phony last name. Would never do that!”
“I promised I would not say that she [Carly Fiornia] ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground, that she laid off tens of thousands of people and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say it, so I will not say it.”
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04-18-2018, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
you don't remember "BeerGate"?
isn't that just a "But Trump...."
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Absolutely, but there are so many more opportunities there that it is always easy to cite one, like sleeping with porn stars, but i wouldn't do that, it wouldn't be nice. |
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04-18-2018, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Oh no, that is so evil sounds like something the evil NEA would suggest.
And the tactic used by Trump, classic rhetoric is better in your mind.
“I was going to say ‘dummy’ Bush; I won’t say it. I won’t say it,”
“I refuse to call Megyn Kelly a bimbo, because that would not be politically correct,”
“Unlike others, I never attacked dopey Jon Stewart for his phony last name. Would never do that!”
“I promised I would not say that she [Carly Fiornia] ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground, that she laid off tens of thousands of people and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say it, so I will not say it.”
"I'm the least________" you can fill it in
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Repeating your accusation in different forms does not advance a discussion. |
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04-18-2018, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Absolutely, but there are so many more opportunities there that it is always easy to cite one, like sleeping with porn stars, but i wouldn't do that, it wouldn't be nice.
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But Trump.......
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04-18-2018, 04:42 PM
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I have no problem comparing one president with another. I do think it's a joke trying to compare what someone did once or twice with what President Trump does numerous times on a daily basis as if there's some equivalency there.
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04-18-2018, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Repeating your accusation in different forms does not advance a discussion.
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Answer the question then
Is the use of classic rhetoric by Trump better?
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04-18-2018, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
As usual you really don't add much.
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Sure thing Mr Butthurt.
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04-18-2018, 07:25 PM
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Good one
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04-18-2018, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Answer the question then
Is the use of classic rhetoric by Trump better?
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You originally posed it as a statement, not a question, in response to my saying that: "This 'But . . . meme' is getting tiresome. Especially when most of those who cite it do it themselves [ as you've done in this thread]. It's not a valid argument but an Alinsky type tactic of ridicule meant to distract and destroy." To which you replied:
"Oh no, that is so evil sounds like something the evil NEA would suggest. And the tactic used by Trump, classic rhetoric is better in your mind."
In the first place, I didn't say your tactic was evil. I said it was ridicule, not a valid argument, and was meant to distract and destroy (that is, saying something like "But Hillary" is supposed to make a comparison to her a ridiculous thing to do, and absolves the "But . . " meme user from having to address or discuss the comparison. Perhaps you consider that an evil tactic. Perhaps you're right. I leave that up to you.
Secondly, if you're asking me if I consider what you refer to as Trump's use of "classical rhetoric" better than your repeating various versions of Trump-as-idiot, or better than your use of the "But . . ." meme, I don't place any value on any of those things. They are all equally little bits of isolated, out of context, useless information meant to cast aspersion.
And I don't equate Trump quotes to classical rhetoric. Did you mean to use the sarcastic "classy" rather than "classical" to describe his rhetoric? That would also be an Alinsky-like tactic of ridicule meant to convince or "win" an argument--much easier than torturing minds with logic and deductive reasoning. |
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04-19-2018, 05:03 AM
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Scooter, be careful
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great point by you...Scooter got in much more trouble over FAR, FAR less... |
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04-19-2018, 07:25 AM
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great point by you...Scooter got in much more trouble over FAR, FAR less...
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Lying to the FBI to cover up a crime isn't far far less.
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04-19-2018, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
The behind is still stinging on all liberals who got spanked by Hillary,that's why guys here are still chasing their tail. Get over it,most likely only a few more years. Just let it go and ride it out.
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Clinton who? Seems like the issue today has everything to do with POTUS and the pass he's being given by his own party.
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04-19-2018, 07:37 AM
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Lying to the FBI to cover up a crime isn't far far less.
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what crime? |
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04-19-2018, 07:41 AM
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what crime?
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I don't remember, something about outing a covert CIA agent...
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04-19-2018, 07:45 AM
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I don't remember, something about outing a covert CIA agent...
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oh... right.... Jane Bond....what a joke....
again....what crime? |
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04-19-2018, 07:47 AM
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oh... right.... Jane Bond....what a joke....
again....what crime?
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See previous remark.
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04-19-2018, 07:55 AM
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See previous remark.
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right...the crime you don't remember |
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04-19-2018, 08:16 AM
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great point by you...Scooter got in much more trouble over FAR, FAR less...
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Lying to protect your superior is OK in your book then.
Pretty clear message sent there. |
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