Trump Tries to Destroy the West

[JohnR]

Here is the problem.

The Dems and a strong portion of the Media CONSISTENTLY trashed decent people like Romney yet promoted serial bad guys like Bill Clinton.

The Dems have moved further left - I mean Feinstein isn't progressive enough. Rhode Island isn't progressive enough. I was once a pro America old school Dem - there are not any more of them . That is not allowed in your Marxist Resistance.

You are not trust worthy. I hate Trump, didn't vote for him and yet I am more and more convinced he is better than Hillary.

Obama's FP was a complete and utter effing disaster. Everything he touched turned to crap, but people liked him.

I am not worried about Trump pushing the button, I am worried that this country is heading for divorce. 15 years ago? Not a chance. Now? We're getting where we may soon be able to see the Singularity.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I hate Trump, didn't vote for him and yet I am more and more convinced he is better than Hillary.

#me2

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Here is the problem.


I am not worried about Trump pushing the button, I am worried that this country is heading for divorce. 15 years ago? Not a chance. Now? We're getting where we may soon be able to see the Singularity.

So many of my conservative leaning friends feel this exact way, the few proglibs I know seem to have their collective heads in the sand waiting for their version libtopia.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Here is the problem.

The Dems and a strong portion of the Media CONSISTENTLY trashed decent people like Romney yet promoted serial bad guys like Bill Clinton.

I don't remember Romney running against Clinton. But, blame the media, it's always the media...

The Dems have moved further left - I mean Feinstein isn't progressive enough. Rhode Island isn't progressive enough. I was once a pro America old school Dem - there are not any more of them . That is not allowed in your Marxist Resistance.

The last 16 years of Dem presidents haven't really promoted that progressive of an agenda. I'm not sure most people even know what a real liberal looks like.

You are not trust worthy. I hate Trump, didn't vote for him and yet I am more and more convinced he is better than Hillary.

Not sure who the trustworthy remark is aimed at but considering we have likely the most dishonest and corrupt administration in US history it's pretty funny. I know that Hillary wouldn't be under Putin's thumb and alienating our vital partners.

Obama's FP was a complete and utter effing disaster. Everything he touched turned to crap, but people liked him.

Considering he inherited all of Bush's 'eff ups I think just gaining some sense of stability was a major accomplishment.

I am not worried about Trump pushing the button, I am worried that this country is heading for divorce. 15 years ago? Not a chance. Now? We're getting where we may soon be able to see the Singularity.

I'm concerned this country is starting to look more like a fascist regime than a representative democracy. People are so consumed with anti-Clinton or anti-Obama they're oblivious to fundamental changes happening right under their feet.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't remember Romney running against Clinton. But, blame the media, it's always the media...

I'll clarify: the media crucified Romney, remember binders full of competent women he would have in his administration if elected? Romeny was far from a perfect candidate but he was arguably the best person to run in the past decade.

Yet only recently, when politically inexpedient, did the media start to turn on Bill Clinton, who all along could have been could be a poster child for what to watch out for in the MeToo movement.

It is always MOST of the media walking lockstep with the left, so yes. For all practical purposes I would even like to Fox not be the Trumpswabber that they are but for all to present a more balanced, factual news system, but they don't.

Originally Posted by spence

The last 16 years of Dem presidents haven't really promoted that progressive of an agenda. I'm not sure most people even know what a real liberal looks like.

Classic liberal? Nahh, very few of those left. The politics of the Dem party have skewed progressive, and are skewing more so and IMO at a higher rate of the Reps going right - as was the claims for years.

Originally Posted by spence

Not sure who the trustworthy remark is aimed at but considering we have likely the most dishonest and corrupt administration in US history it's pretty funny. I know that Hillary wouldn't be under Putin's thumb and alienating our vital partners.

All the people that frankly pull the master lever, unwilling to compromise or discuss openly. All the people that said if Trump gets elected we're gonna die (yes, there is time still), net neutrality weregonnadie, tax reductions weregonnadie. Those only now shouting about the National Debt and annual deficits, weregonnadie

Originally Posted by spence

Considering he inherited all of Bush's 'eff ups I think just gaining some sense of stability was a major accomplishment.

Yep - and he effed up many of his own.

Originally Posted by spence

I'm concerned this country is starting to look more like a fascist regime than a representative democracy. People are so consumed with anti-Clinton or anti-Obama they're oblivious to fundamental changes happening right under their feet.

I'm concerned this country is looking more Orwellian, where if you do not toe the party line you will be the subject of a SJW 20 years of hate. That Western Democracy and Civilization is going to be sacrificed at the alter of the collective. The constant redefinition of words and meanings, of what is acceptable and not acceptable, to suit one side.

I am concerned that the open narrative of the left is to persecute the NRA and law abiding 2A supporting terrorists.

I am concerned that the open narrative of the left is to persecute the 1A and freedom of speech, even if it is vile.

I am concerned that the fundamental changes afoot (ahem, required) with the hard left that oppose merit, law, and decency.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I am concerned that the open narrative of the left is to persecute the NRA and law abiding 2A supporting terrorists.

I am concerned the Right has created laws and policys to insulate and promote the sale of guns and their makers refuse to acknowledge their negative impact on society via the NRA . hiding behind the 2a

I am concerned that the open narrative of the left is to persecute the 1A and freedom of speech, even if it is vile.

The right has again uses the 1A as an excuse to step on civility lie openly use political correctness as a rallying cry and aagin refuse all responsibility for the message

I am concerned that the fundamental changes afoot (ahem, required) with the hard left that oppose merit, law, and decency.

Merit of law and decency again the right has gone to war with both those ideas the current administration attacks both daily their party remains silent in response to theses actions ... yet went after Benghazi with out regard to Facts ignores the death of those killed in Niger attack or the Russian investigation as nothing burgers

If people think Trump is going to Save this country from its self good luck with that

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I am concerned the Right has created laws and policys to insulate and promote the sale of guns

example?


The right has again uses the 1A as an excuse to step on civility lie openly use political correctness as a rallying cry

example?

Merit of law and decency again the right has gone to war with both those ideas

example?

If people think Trump is going to Save this country from its self good luck with that

who has said/suggested trump is going to save this country from itself?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I am concerned the Right has created laws and policys to insulate and promote the sale of guns and their makers refuse to acknowledge their negative impact on society via the NRA . hiding behind the 2a

The supporters of the 2A rarely create ANY laws, for the significant part they resist laws applied to them. The ones they do want, reciprocity and things to reduce impact on hearing are obliterated by the left. Here is a novel idea, enforce existing laws equally and see if the has an impact - rather than taking away constitutional rights.

Originally Posted by wdmso

The right has again uses the 1A as an excuse to step on civility lie openly use political correctness as a rallying cry and aagin refuse all responsibility for the message

No. The First Amendment protects your right and my right to say something, even if distasteful. You won't go to jail for what you say. But without the 1A, what if some bureaucrat decided it was their duty to regulate YOUR speech and YOUR freedom of expression. If you allow exceptions (or demand them) then you are censoring and it is a fast and slippery slope to some committee or Speech Kommisar deciding what you are allowed to say and to not say. And to be penalized for it. I hate Hate Speech. But if you allow some people to decide what is acceptable speach and what is not - you've lost your freedom.

Turn the tables, what if some Trump apparatchik decreed that you could not go to your Town Hall and voice something important to you (pick any subject)??

Originally Posted by wdmso

Merit of law and decency again the right has gone to war with both those ideas the current administration attacks both daily their party remains silent in response to theses actions ... yet went after Benghazi with out regard to Facts ignores the death of those killed in Niger attack or the Russian investigation as nothing burgers

Benghazi - that was an eff up of major proportion - I am not convinced it was unlawful.

Niger? Tongo Tongo? Yes - bad intel / planning / luck screwed up a mission which got soldiers killed. Where are you going with facts and mortality on this one? Green Berets helping indigenous forces fight wars on their soil, limiting American presence. Like Job#1 for Green Berets.

Russia Investigation is falling mostly along partisan lines. Sure wish it would come up with something definitive soon. Ain't seeing it yet. And you might be new here but I have been pretty skeptical of Trump being without guilt here.

Originally Posted by wdmso

If people think Trump is going to Save this country from its self good luck with that

No, he is a symptom of where we have been going.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I'll clarify: the media crucified Romney, remember binders full of competent women he would have in his administration if elected? Romeny was far from a perfect candidate but he was arguably the best person to run in the past decade.

Compared to the negative coverage of Obama? Hell, one story after another around repubs trying to slam his record.

Yet only recently, when politically inexpedient, did the media start to turn on Bill Clinton, who all along could have been could be a poster child for what to watch out for in the MeToo movement.

It's only more recently because we just had the metoo movement. The media hasn't changed...society has.

It is always MOST of the media walking lockstep with the left, so yes. For all practical purposes I would even like to Fox not be the Trumpswabber that they are but for all to present a more balanced, factual news system, but they don't.

"Most" of the media doesn't walk lockstep with the left. Right leaning media dominates local markets, radio and a good portion of the very popular bottom feeders online.

FoxNews is just RT these days, was never fair and balanced but 15 years ago it was quite a different network.

Classic liberal? Nahh, very few of those left. The politics of the Dem party have skewed progressive, and are skewing more so and IMO at a higher rate of the Reps going right - as was the claims for years.

I mean a serious progressive. There really aren't that many people who self describe as liberal. One thing you're seeing is traditionally progressive issues like LGBT rights, affordable healthcare etc...have become more mainstream as demographics shift.

All the people that frankly pull the master lever, unwilling to compromise or discuss openly. All the people that said if Trump gets elected we're gonna die (yes, there is time still), net neutrality weregonnadie, tax reductions weregonnadie. Those only now shouting about the National Debt and annual deficits, weregonnadie

Calling out terrible policy isn't announcing impending doom. As for unwillingness to compromise or discuss openly, look at how much worse things are in just the past 12 months.

I'm concerned this country is looking more Orwellian, where if you do not toe the party line you will be the subject of a SJW 20 years of hate. That Western Democracy and Civilization is going to be sacrificed at the alter of the collective. The constant redefinition of words and meanings, of what is acceptable and not acceptable, to suit one side.

Trumpists?

I am concerned that the open narrative of the left is to persecute the NRA and law abiding 2A supporting terrorists.

Actually most people just want reasonable gun laws.

I am concerned that the open narrative of the left is to persecute the 1A and freedom of speech, even if it is vile.

I am concerned that the fundamental changes afoot (ahem, required) with the hard left that oppose merit, law, and decency.

The problem I see is so much of what you ascribe to the left is now being actively undermined by Trump and the GOP. The Press is now the #1 enemy of the State, nepotism and abuse are the new normal, the FBI is controlled by the deep state and childish insults are a primary mode of communication.

[scottw]

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Originally Posted by JohnR View Post

I'll clarify: the media crucified Romney

Originally Posted by spence

Compared to the negative coverage of Obama?

Spence is trying his hand at comedy

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

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Originally Posted by JohnR View Post

I'll clarify: the media crucified Romney





Spence is trying his hand at comedy

I know - I don't give up so much as say why bother ; )

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I know - I don't give up so much as say why bother ; )

Read the Pew studies, the 2012 coverage was pretty comparable.