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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jim,
That is a picture of a place they put unaccompanied minors upon arrival. Not the same thing.
Just another but............ to justify the current actions.
Of course it is the american way, lock them up, that will show them.

So are you proposing that when adults who choose to break the law are being processed through the criminal justice system, that they be allowed to bring their children along? So we build daycares within our court buildings, with surrogate breastfeeders standing next to bailiffs? Build daycares within maximum security prisons, to avoid separating kids from their parents?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So are you proposing that when adults who choose to break the law are being processed through the criminal justice system, that they be allowed to bring their children along? Yes So we build daycares within our court buildings, with surrogate breastfeeders standing next to bailiffs? Why would they need surrogate breastfeeders? Build daycares within maximum security prisons, to avoid separating kids from their parents?

I think we need far fewer prisons and why is it always the worst offenders that you cite to advance your ideas?
In this case we are talking about people who have committed a misdemeanor, not a felony. The justification is always the worst possible outcome, which you use to justify the most draconian solution.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think we need far fewer prisons and why is it always the worst offenders that you cite to advance your ideas?
In this case we are talking about people who have committed a misdemeanor, not a felony. The justification is always the worst possible outcome, which you use to justify the most draconian solution.

Should these people be rewarded with citizenship as the punishment for something trifling as a misdemeanor? Should they get what they committed the misdemeanor for? Should a kid who steals a candy bar be punished or made to learn a lesson by letting him keep the candy and even giving him some more?

And, as Sea Dangles said, the big list of countries with lower incarceration rates than the US do not have the problem of millions trying to get into their country, legally or illegally.

I have a hard time understanding your logic.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Should these people be rewarded with citizenship as the punishment for something trifling as a misdemeanor? Should they get what they committed the misdemeanor for? Should a kid who steals a candy bar be punished or made to learn a lesson by letting him keep the candy and even giving him some more?

And, as Sea Dangles said, the big list of countries with lower incarceration rates than the US do not have the problem of millions trying to get into their country, legally or illegally.

I have a hard time understanding your logic.

I never said they become citizens.

Are you saying that no other country has people trying to flee their home country?
Guess you missed the Middle East and Europe.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I never said they become citizens.

I never said you said that. I asked you if the illegals should be rewarded with citizenship as punishment for a misdemeanor. Isn't that the goal of those who call for amnesty. And who want to maintain the system of not following up on those who don't report for their court date, and maintain the loose system that eventually winds up with an amnesty or with the illegals staying here in one way or another.

You made a point of them merely committing a misdemeanor. What do you think should be done about that?

Are you saying that no other country has people trying to flee their home country?
Guess you missed the Middle East and Europe.

I didn't know that the US has a problem of people trying to flee the country.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I never said they become citizens.

Are you saying that no other country has people trying to flee their home country?
Guess you missed the Middle East and Europe.

Here is an answer for you, and no they are not all coming here.
https://www.worldvision.org/refugees...s-in-the-world

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here is an answer for you, and no they are not all coming here.
https://www.worldvision.org/refugees...s-in-the-world

How is that an answer to these questions you asked:

"We do not have an open border. We did, except for Asians, until a little over a hundred years ago.
Very few countries have a 99% white population, ALL countries have a lower rate of incarceration than the USA.
What do you think people learn in prison? Do they learn useful skills that help them succeed in society? Do they learn how to be more successful at life from other criminals?
Why do you think white people do not commit crimes? Is our crime rate because we do not have a lily white society?
Don't forget Trump was very impressed by Duterte's war on drugs, that killed thousands of people, would you go along with that if he attempted that here?"

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

How is that an answer to these questions you asked:

"We do not have an open border. We did, except for Asians, until a little over a hundred years ago.
Very few countries have a 99% white population, ALL countries have a lower rate of incarceration than the USA.
What do you think people learn in prison? Do they learn useful skills that help them succeed in society? Do they learn how to be more successful at life from other criminals?
Why do you think white people do not commit crimes? Is our crime rate because we do not have a lily white society?
Don't forget Trump was very impressed by Duterte's war on drugs, that killed thousands of people, would you go along with that if he attempted that here?"

Those were questions for Jim, why would I answer for him?
He seems to be quite capable, though I might disagree with his opinions.
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