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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"If the goal is to make sure people are punished"

HOW ABOUT IF THE GOAL IS TO PREVENT DANGEROUS PEOPLE FROM HURTING INNOCENT PEOPLE? Has that aspect ever crossed your mind? You sure don't seem to give that any consideration.

If with our current system we have 75% recidivism how does that stop anything for more than a few years.
There are no absolutes in life, you can no more stop crime with prison than by having more guns.
Do you think all criminals are inherently evil? And all people who have not been charged with a crime good?
I didn’t say we should not have jails, but that we should use them judiciously.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If with our current system we have 75% recidivism how does that stop anything for more than a few years.
There are no absolutes in life, you can no more stop crime with prison than by having more guns.
Do you think all criminals are inherently evil? And all people who have not been charged with a crime good?
I didn’t say we should not have jails, but that we should use them judiciously.
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"If with our current system we have 75% recidivism how does that stop anything for more than a few years."

How many people can a bad person hurt in "a few years"? A lot. You haven't given this much thought. Put down the Kool Aid for ten seconds, and think.

"Do you think all criminals are inherently evil?"

No. Some are unlucky.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"If with our current system we have 75% recidivism how does that stop anything for more than a few years."

How many people can a bad person hurt in "a few years"? A lot. You haven't given this much thought. Put down the Kool Aid for ten seconds, and think.

"Do you think all criminals are inherently evil?"

No. Some are unlucky.

Read this, I’m not suggesting no prisons
http://time.com/4596081/incarceration-report/
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If with our current system we have 75% recidivism how does that stop anything

I think we need far fewer prisons


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shouldn't you ask the recidivists?

if the US has 655 people incarcerated per 100,000 and 75% are recidivists...the other 99,345 are some how navigating life without incarceration for the most part, even poor and minorities....I guess reducing the number of prisons and the ability to incarcerate would be a great way to reduce the number of incarcerated and get to your magic number of acceptable incarcerations despite the actual crime being committed and "recitivated"....

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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Read this, I’m not suggesting no prisons
http://time.com/4596081/incarceration-report/
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Originally Posted by scottw

shouldn't you ask the recidivists?

if the US has 655 people incarcerated per 100,000 and 75% are recidivists...the other 99,345 are some how navigating life without incarceration for the most part, even poor and minorities....I guess reducing the number of prisons and the ability to incarcerate would be a great way to reduce the number of incarcerated and get to your magic number of acceptable incarcerations despite the actual crime being committed and "recitivated"....

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Virgin Islands (United Kingdom) 470
Bahamas 438
Seychelles 437

It all depends on what you think is a worthwhile investment, just throwing money away to warehouse non dangerous people is a waste in my view.
Maybe you don't know what it means
Definition of recidivism
: a tendency to relapse into a previous condition or mode of behavior; especially : relapse into criminal behavior