GDP growth for the second quarter was +4.1%, second highest in 15 years

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I read that as we are in the top 20 of plastic pollution. There are 195 countries so we are in the top 10% of contributors. Because china is worse we should ignore it? Seems like a pretty low standard to set. Outrage machine? The outraged seem to be all the children crying in the street over the fact that they won't get a straw at McDonald's. Never mind, I haven't seen that. Without this forum, I wouldn't have known anyone would be outraged.
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I guess some just can't comprehend that it isn't really about the straws, its about the Ban.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I guess some just can't comprehend that it isn't really about the straws, its about the Ban.

I know that is what it is about for some of you. Poor personal freedom infringed now if you go to Seattle they won't stick a plastic straw in your soda without asking like they did last year. What is this world coming to?
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

How much of China's mismanaged plastic originated in other nations?

Dunno - persoanlly I think it should bre recycled and ground here and then reused.

How much of the world's mismanaged plastic originated from China?

But going with your premise - how far do you want to go back with the plastic? To the middle East as oil / petroleum products? Dinosaurs? This is a good point - let's ban Dinosaurs and other Prehistoric Flora and Fauna For Little Sally's straw ; )

Originally Posted by zimmy

Funny. But, and I am sure the faux news types won't tell you this, straws aren't banned outright in the places that have done it. It is a restaurant and bar ban. That little girl can take her straw anywhere she wants. Like they used to say at the end of gi Joe, knowing is half the battle.
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The whole entire notion is ludicrous, that banning of straws anywhere will truly curtail the plastioceanic gyres that blight the oceans.

Want to fight pollution? Fine the people polluting. There are existing laws for this, rarely enforced. Start there.

Originally Posted by zimmy

I read that as we are in the top 20 of plastic pollution. There are 195 countries so we are in the top 10% of contributors. Because china is worse we should ignore it? Seems like a pretty low standard to set. Outrage machine? The outraged seem to be all the children crying in the street over the fact that they won't get a straw at McDonald's. Never mind, I haven't seen that. Without this forum, I wouldn't have known anyone would be outraged.
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And by the above NEU study we are 1/20th what the leading producer of tonnes of plastic pollution. If you add all other 175 producers we probably 1/30th of total plastipollution. But Santa Barbara will feel good they did something goshdarnit ; )

Someone needs to print a Rascinate out of recycled Plastic Straws, next to their AR15

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

But going with your premise - how far do you want to go back with the plastic? To the middle East as oil / petroleum products? Dinosaurs? This is a good point - let's ban Dinosaurs and other Prehistoric Flora and Fauna For Little Sally's straw ; )

I think the Democratic Senators from California are in the process of introducing a bill called "The Extinct Species Protection Act" in the hopes of sustaining the numbers of all species currently listed as Extinct. Keeping these numbers at a Sustainable level will cost the tax payers, but it will be worth it in the end if we can keep just one Dodo colony at its current sustainable level.

I can just see Sarah Mclachlan cuddling up to a cave etching of a starving Dire Wolf pup.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Dunno - persoanlly I think it should bre recycled and ground here and then reused.

How much of the world's mismanaged plastic originated from China?

But going with your premise - how far do you want to go back with the plastic? To the middle East as oil / petroleum products? Dinosaurs? This is a good point - let's ban Dinosaurs and other Prehistoric Flora and Fauna For Little Sally's straw ; )

It's a complex systems problem.

China has imported about 45% of the world’s plastic waste since 1992 for recycling, the study found.

In the U.S. alone, nearly 4,000 shipping containers full of plastic recyclables a day had been shipped to Chinese recycling plants.

An estimated 111 million metric tons of plastic waste will be displaced by 2030 as a result of China’s recent ban on the import of most plastic waste, according to new research.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ing/721879002/

Sounds like we've been "responsibly" exporting plastic to China for cheap disposal and what we get for our money is poor management which has a global impact.

Yes, banning straws isn't going to fix the problem but this is like the climate deniers who scoff at every mention to kill the debate ignoring that we still have a big issue to address.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a complex systems problem.



Sounds like we've been "responsibly" exporting plastic to China for cheap disposal and what we get for our money is poor management which has a global impact.

Yes, banning straws isn't going to fix the problem but this is like the climate deniers who scoff at every mention to kill the debate ignoring that we still have a big issue to address.

We have existing laws that will reduce existing plastic polution. Having the PD pull over Billy Schmucaktelli and give him a fine when he tosses a Big Mack Combo out the window might be a good start.

Hopefully the judge does not dismiss it for cruel and unusual punishment like they do in so many instances.

Between the lack of enforcement and the lack of judicial sentencing there is little deterrence to the litterbug.

I'm pretty confident you do not litter, I know I don't and I'm pretty sure most (all?) people here don't.

[wdmso]

remember the Light bulb outrage

2010 Right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh cited promotion of eco-friendly light bulbs No Republican complicit in nannyism, statism, can be rewarded .”


Incandescent bulbs subject to strict efficiency standards

The effect will be to make current 100-watt bulbs obsolete — and that has sent conservative lawmakers, libertarians, some environmental activists and owners of Easy-Bake Ovens into a frenzy of activity to get the law repealed or, at least, to stockpile the bulbs before they disappear from store shelves.

Now the right and others are outrage about going back to paper Straws.... its bringing something back from the 50's you think they would be excited seeing they love Nostalgic policys

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

remember the Light bulb outrage

2010 Right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh cited promotion of eco-friendly light bulbs No Republican complicit in nannyism, statism, can be rewarded .”


Incandescent bulbs subject to strict efficiency standards

The effect will be to make current 100-watt bulbs obsolete — and that has sent conservative lawmakers, libertarians, some environmental activists and owners of Easy-Bake Ovens into a frenzy of activity to get the law repealed or, at least, to stockpile the bulbs before they disappear from store shelves.

Now the right and others are outrage about going back to paper Straws.... its bringing something back from the 50's you think they would be excited seeing they love Nostalgic policys

Go try to drink a Strawberry Fribble through a Paper Straw.

We'll wait ; )

(side note; Haven't had one in 30 years but dang it sounds good, no? )

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

We have existing laws that will reduce existing plastic polution. Having the PD pull over Billy Schmucaktelli and give him a fine when he tosses a Big Mack Combo out the window might be a good start.

Not sure that's the point. It's the volume of plastics that are put into the system in general that's leading to the ocean volumes regardless of the entry point via trash, recycling mishandling, tsunami, fishing nets etc...

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by spence

Not sure that's the point. It's the volume of plastics that are put into the system in general that's leading to the ocean volumes regardless of the entry point via trash, recycling mishandling, tsunami, fishing nets etc...

I think there is a great misunderstanding about the waste cycle. Into the trash often times doesn't equate to into the landfill for eternity. Anyway, if people in Seattle don't like it, they will vote out the council or bring their own straws. They won't need the government to wipe anything for them.
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