We lost a good one yesterdat. RIP John McCain

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Nope, just pointing out that there are biases in Social Media/Internet Searches. People need to be smart enough to realize it, sadly some aren't or just don't want to see it.
Cough, Cough Spence Cough, Cough

Did you try it?
Or are you just accepting what someone else says?

[nightfighter]

I am amazed that every one of us doesn't first feel outrage with the extremism and dirty play exhibited from both sides..... A common call to decency and working together is long overdue. There is an awful lot of good in the last writings and quotes from Senator John McCain that both sides should seriously contemplate. One of my favorites:

We are three-hundred-and-twenty-five million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I am amazed that every one of us doesn't first feel outrage with the extremism and dirty play exhibited from both sides..... A common call to decency and working together is long overdue. There is an awful lot of good in the last writings and quotes from Senator John McCain that both sides should seriously contemplate. One of my favorites:

We are three-hundred-and-twenty-five million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do.

What he said, I’m hoping this sh*t show of behavior by all might lead us to change.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I am amazed that every one of us doesn't first feel outrage with the extremism and dirty play exhibited from both sides..... A common call to decency and working together is long overdue. There is an awful lot of good in the last writings and quotes from Senator John McCain that both sides should seriously contemplate. One of my favorites:

We are three-hundred-and-twenty-five million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do.

I don't know that we have that much more in common anymore. And from where I sit, that's because the left has gone completely off the deep end, it started with Bush 43 when the Iraq War started going horribly...got worse with McCain, and now with Trump, they have come completely, and I mean completely, unglued. Trump is not helping at all, but he is only POTUS because the left never stops hitting below the belt with people they disagree with. Until they are deceased, apparently. And even then, only if their deaths can be weaponized against Trump.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I don't know that we have that much more in common anymore. And from where I sit, that's because the left has gone completely off the deep end, it started with Bush 43 when the Iraq War started going horribly...got worse with McCain, and now with Trump, they have come completely, and I mean completely, unglued. Trump is not helping at all, but he is only POTUS because the left never stops hitting below the belt with people they disagree with. Until they are deceased, apparently. And even then, only if their deaths can be weaponized against Trump.

Exhibit A
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Exhibit A
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Spence, the state of CT economy is deep at the bottom of the toilet because of insane taxes and spending. Every single elected democrat, every single one of them, wants to raise taxes and spend more. You can't talk to these people, it's not possible. They are not persuadable by facts or empirical evidence. All that matters to them, and clearly to you, is ideological purity.

People still listen to Rachael Maddow, she still has credibility, yet for 18 months leading up to the election, she said the only unknown was the size of the rout Hilary was going to win by. And then the Trump tax return disaster.

Paul Krugman said the US economy would never recover from a Trump presidency, and people still pay him to offer opinions.

How wrong do these people have to be, and how often, before people stop listening to them?

I'm sorry, people in San Francisco can poop wherever they feel like, the New Haven Green apparently advertises itself as a place to do drugs without any fear of someone telling you to stop, kids in elementary school get condoms in class but can't get a soft drink, and Willie Horton can go into the ladies room if he just declares "I identify as a woman".

We have our share of individual kooks on the right, no question. But it's not the same degree, the kookiness isn't as widespread, not even close. You want to compare Paul Ryan and Nancy Pelosi? Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid? Please. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell aren't even real conservatives, neither is Trump although he is executing like one. I don't think elected Republican, as a group, are anywhere near as far to the right, as democrats are to the left. I think the number of elected offices held by each party, supports that conclusion.

Why do you suppose the GOP controls the house, the senate, the oval office, and a large majority of state governorships and legislatures? And they do so, despite the fact that the media and academia couldn't be more left-leaning?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I am amazed that every one of us doesn't first feel outrage with the extremism and dirty play exhibited from both sides..... A common call to decency and working together is long overdue. There is an awful lot of good in the last writings and quotes from Senator John McCain that both sides should seriously contemplate. One of my favorites:

We are three-hundred-and-twenty-five million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do.

Here, here !

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Here, here !

I agree 100% with the here here. I just don't know how we get back to that unity. We had it right after 9/11. Then the war went very bad, and the divide was exacerbated, and it grows wider every day. I see no end in sight, I can't imagine what would bring us back together, it might take another terrorist attack. The conversations here are very illustrative of this, and I'm as guilty of it as anyone else.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I agree 100% with the here here. I just don't know how we get back to that unity. We had it right after 9/11. Then the war went very bad, and the divide was exacerbated, and it grows wider every day. I see no end in sight, I can't imagine what would bring us back together, it might take another terrorist attack. The conversations here are very illustrative of this, and I'm as guilty of it as anyone else.

For everybody to take a quick look in the mirror would be a good start
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

For everybody to take a quick look in the mirror would be a good start
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I don't know TDF. We need to listen to what other people are actually saying (for example, let's keep taxes no higher than they need to be), as opposed to reacting to what someone else claims we are saying (for example, conservatives only care about the rich).

I don't have a clue how we do it.