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09-12-2018, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I don't deny it's changing. But before I impose hardship on me and my family, I need to see more facts. There are way too many unknowns, we have no idea what the atmosphere's ability is to absorb all the crap that we dump. We don't know what effect the oceans have. The models are based almost entirely on assumptions, which explains why the outputs of those models (for example, Philadelphia soon being oceanfront) haven't come true.
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Good luck on the facts, it's why we have scientific methods. Models aren't based on assumptions as much as empirically validated hypothesis. Any way the science isn't and never will be perfect but there is consensus that the human impact is significant. |
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09-12-2018, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Good luck on the facts, it's why we have scientific methods. Models aren't based on assumptions as much as empirically validated hypothesis. Any way the science isn't and never will be perfect but there is consensus that the human impact is significant.
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what a pile of crap  |
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09-13-2018, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Good luck on the facts, it's why we have scientific methods. Models aren't based on assumptions as much as empirically validated hypothesis. Any way the science isn't and never will be perfect but there is consensus that the human impact is significant.
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well given that many of the outcomes predicted by that community’s scientific method have not come true, at what point is it appropriate to conclude that they don’t have a lot of credibility?
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09-13-2018, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
well given that many of the outcomes predicted by that community’s scientific method have not come true, at what point is it appropriate to conclude that they don’t have a lot of credibility?
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Jim,
I am not wading into this again with you. We have rehashed these points too many times.
Can you please point to the scientific community's* (NOT AL GORE) predictions of what you speak? (*Scientific community, meaning a published scientific study, not a movie or a random blog)... |
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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09-13-2018, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Jim,
I am not wading into this again with you. We have rehashed these points too many times.
Can you please point to the scientific community's* (NOT AL GORE) predictions of what you speak? (*Scientific community, meaning a published scientific study, not a movie or a random blog)...
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i can’t say that i can point i a scientific paper that has predicted disaster. i’m responding to the hysterics i seenon tv. but right around the time i was born, the consensus was that the earth was cooling and we needed to act to stop that. then it was global warming. then it switched to climate change. they can’t even decide what’s happening, let alone figure out the causes or what the effects might be.
you don’t care more about the environment than i do, i promise. but we need to acquire additional knowledge, and rely a bit less on wild speculative assumptions, before we disrupt people’s lives, before we tell third world nations that they can’t have heat and air conditioning and cars like we do. and we need to figure out why the hell the alternative energy sources are still so stupudly expensive. that’s what i don’t understand. why is it 30k to cover my roof with solar panels? i leased, butbthats what it would have cost to buy. that price isn’t coming down.
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09-13-2018, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Jim,
Can you please point to the scientific community's* (NOT AL GORE) predictions of what you speak? (*Scientific community, meaning a published scientific study, not a movie or a random blog)...
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settled science backed by consensus....yawn...is al gore still alive?
here's a recent one..... .5 degrees of warming will cause large increases in deaths worldwide....
“Our projections suggest that large increases in temperature-related deaths could be limited in most regions if warming was kept below 2°C,” explains Ana Maria Vicedo-Cabrera, the first author of the study. “Under extreme changes in climate, large parts of the world could experience a dramatic increase in excess mortality due to heat. This would not be balanced by decreases in cold-related deaths. Efforts to limit the increase in global temperature to below 1.5°C could provide additional benefits in tropical or arid regions, including the most populous and often poorest countries.”
Vicedo-Cabrera, A. M. et al (2018). Temperature-mortality impacts under and beyond Paris Agreement climate change scenarios, Climatic Change Letters DOI: 10.1007/s10584-018-2274-3
https://link.springer.com/article/10...584-018-2274-3
if we just spend enough money we can hold the global temperature down....
Last edited by scottw; 09-13-2018 at 06:52 AM..
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