Washington Post says Trump is 'complicit' in Hurricane Florence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Part of being a strong leader is recognizing the shortcomings for what they are and pushing everyone forward to higher ground. A sober assessment means little when the man ultimately responsible for catalyzing change is more concerned about his own appearance than the well being of those who are under his wing.

The timing and substance of the tweets this morning were shocking even for Trump.

Oh I agree he is a horrible leader, likely not as bad as you think he is. But I can understand SOME of what he is trying and failing to say because SOME of the facts support him and what he is saying. But the outrage mob can't get past that.

This is where I think out country is now broken, maybe irreparably.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

But I can understand SOME of what he is trying and failing to say because SOME of the facts support him and what he is saying. But the outrage mob can't get past that.

His issue is he forfeits the benefit of doubt via his own behavior. I can't imaging he wasn't aware of the PR hit Bush took over his lack of focus on Katrina. Sure, a lot of the challenges he inherited but you mix up his rampant bigotry towards hispanics, the paper towel tossing, his insistence that this was the best response ever and to top it all off dismissing nearly 3,000 dead Americans on the eve of a massive storm...

Sorry, but the press isn't making this up or even being unfair. They're just reporting a train wreck for what it is.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Sorry, but the press isn't making this up or even being unfair. They're just reporting a train wreck for what it is.

CNN just enthusiastically called the November mid-term elections for the democrats...based on polling .....in September

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

His issue is he forfeits the benefit of doubt via his own behavior. I can't imaging he wasn't aware of the PR hit Bush took over his lack of focus on Katrina. Sure, a lot of the challenges he inherited but you mix up his rampant bigotry towards hispanics, the paper towel tossing, his insistence that this was the best response ever and to top it all off dismissing nearly 3,000 dead Americans on the eve of a massive storm...

Sorry, but the press isn't making this up or even being unfair. They're just reporting a train wreck for what it is.

FEMA isn't a first responder, isn't designed to be, can never be. The problem in PR was the same problem in New Orleans during Katrina. An amazingly incompetent and disastrously corrupt local government. LOCAL. The effectiveness of preventing these storms from being disasters is determined locally, not in Washington DC. Remember the footage from post Katrina, all those school buses underwater, that could/should have been used to get locals out of there ahead of time.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

FEMA isn't a first responder, isn't designed to be, can never be. The problem in PR was the same problem in New Orleans during Katrina. An amazingly incompetent and disastrously corrupt local government. LOCAL. The effectiveness of preventing these storms from being disasters is determined locally, not in Washington DC. Remember the footage from post Katrina, all those school buses underwater, that could/should have been used to get locals out of there ahead of time.

New Orleans local officials certainly could have done a better job, as could have FEMA, but the primary reason Katrina was such a disaster was due to massive levy failure which is the responsibility of the federal government.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

New Orleans local officials certainly could have done a better job, as could have FEMA, but the primary reason Katrina was such a disaster was due to massive levy failure which is the responsibility of the federal government.

true about who constructed the levies. but no one should have been there. they had a weeks notice.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

His issue is he forfeits the benefit of doubt via his own behavior. I can't imaging he wasn't aware of the PR hit Bush took over his lack of focus on Katrina. Sure, a lot of the challenges he inherited but you mix up his rampant bigotry towards hispanics, the paper towel tossing, his insistence that this was the best response ever and to top it all off dismissing nearly 3,000 dead Americans on the eve of a massive storm...

Sorry, but the press isn't making this up or even being unfair. They're just reporting a train wreck for what it is.

I've read some of the whining class reports on this, things like how Hillary got things in gear by shaming Trump (USNS Comfort, etc) except that is not how it happened. The DOD / Navy ramped up hard for Puerto Rico (many after just finishing an 8+ month deployment) to got there and help that faltering (before the hurricane) state.

But facts don't matter because Trump forfeits any is what you are saying. But it's OK since it has become part of the allowable Zeitgeist ...

Originally Posted by scottw

this ^^^^^

Thanks for completing the B side to my we ain'tgonnafixit thoughts

Originally Posted by spence

New Orleans local officials certainly could have done a better job, as could have FEMA, but the primary reason Katrina was such a disaster was due to massive levy failure which is the responsibility of the federal government.

You mean Congress's fault for decades underfunding that, right?

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

You mean Congress's fault for decades underfunding that, right?

It's another failure mode but an obvious one and puts tremendous pressure on local officials trying to balance safety with undue burden on their constituents. The Gov called for disaster assistance in advance and FEMA dropped the ball for several days resulting in a delayed response.

As for Jim's image of flooded school buses, give me a break. It's a picture, not an analysis.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's another failure mode but an obvious one and puts tremendous pressure on local officials trying to balance safety with undue burden on their constituents. The Gov called for disaster assistance in advance and FEMA dropped the ball for several days resulting in a delayed response.

As for Jim's image of flooded school buses, give me a break. It's a picture, not an analysis.

it’s not just a picture. there is a plan written down in new orleans, those buses are supposed to be used to evacuate the poor in event of a hurucane. they had several days to enact that plan, but couldn’t pull it off. once bobby jindal was governor, when the next major hurricane hit, everyone was out. the difference, was competence in local leadership.

not just a picture, it most certainly is an analysis. you just don’t happen to like what the analysis says, because you aren’t capable of saying that the democratic mayor and governor, were pathetic. sobwas fema by the way, i could have driven water down there faster than they got it there, no excuse for that either. see, i can admit when my side blows it.


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[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Thanks for completing the B side to my we ain'tgonnafixit thoughts

drowning them might be a little harsh....I'm for deporting them

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

This is where I think out country is now broken, maybe irreparably.

this ^^^^^

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

this ^^^^^

I thought it was a pro trump hurricane party with free assault rifles, MacDonalds and dancing girls
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this ^^^^^

My favorite since he got elected. A college professor, who you would assume isn't an obviously deranged individual - shot himself to protest the Trump presidency. Shot himself.

Unless this is a hoax story, which you almost think it has to be.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

SOME of the facts support him and what he is saying. But the outrage mob can't get past that.

This is where I think out country is now broken, maybe irreparably.

Spot on, John.