kavanaughs accuser comes forward

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I agree they can't spend 100 years looking., But it sounds like you completely made it up, when you said they can only investigate what's already on the record.

I doubt anyone, on either side, would consider it frivolous to investigate a sexual assault complaint. Not yet anyway, but in short order, your side will make sexual assault accusations as utterly meaningless as they have already made racism accusations.

Even if he did he's not any worse than Trump and that's not that bad...........
Conservatives are now the bastion of situational ethics and moral relativism, you win, Jim

[Pete F.]

He should have picked a woman

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

you win, Jim

Unlike most of the liberals I see here, I can heap both praise and criticism on leaders of both sides. Do you do that? Does Spence?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He should have picked a woman

He should have picked whoever was most qualified, regardless of skin pigmentation or genetalia. Stop with the identity politics for two seconds.

Why is having a penis, a negative attribute in a SCOTUS justice? Please explain?

[DZ]

This troubles me as does every sexual assault accusation. Be interesting to see what proof she has that she was assaulted.

He obviously has been painted as someone with unparalleled integrity based on the testimony we've heard about. If it comes down to a
"he said/she said" argument he would prevail (unless of course more women start coming out).

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He should have picked whoever was most qualified, regardless of skin pigmentation or genetalia. Stop with the identity politics for two seconds.

Why is having a penis, a negative attribute in a SCOTUS justice? Please explain?

There are some qualified women and it automatically disarms one argument. Of course it may not have worked, just like Merrick Garland didn't.

Currently it is a political appointment, certainly with this president. Notice Kavanaugh wasn't on the list...........

"Donald Trump on Wednesday unveiled a list of 11 judges he would consider nominating to fill the seat of late Justice Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court, an unusual move for a presidential candidate that underscores his efforts to appeal to conservatives.

The list includes: Steven Colloton of Iowa, Allison Eid of Colorado, Raymond Gruender of Missouri, Thomas Hardiman of Pennsylvania, Raymond Kethledge of Michigan, Joan Larsen of Michigan, Thomas Lee of Utah, William Pryor of Alabama, David Stras of Minnesota, Diane Sykes of Wisconsin and Don Willett of Texas.
In a statement, Trump said he planned to use the list "as a guide to nominate our next United States Supreme Court Justices" and said the names are "representative of the kind of constitutional principles I value."
The announcement is the latest example of Trump's unorthodox campaign. Presidential candidates rarely mention specific people they would nominate and instead often talk about the profile of potential nominees. But Trump was questioned during the Republican primary campaign about his allegiance to conservative causes and releasing the list could quell those concerns."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by DZ

This troubles me as does every sexual assault accusation. Be interesting to see what proof she has that she was assaulted.

He obviously has been painted as someone with unparalleled integrity based on the testimony we've heard about. If it comes down to a
"he said/she said" argument he would prevail (unless of course more women start coming out).

He'd prevail in a court of law no question. This is politics. If 1 or 2 senators flip because they don't want to be seen as insensitive to victims, that's all it takes, and that's probably what's behind all this.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There are some qualified women and it automatically disarms one argument. Of course it may not have worked, just like Merrick Garland didn't.

Currently it is a political appointment, certainly with this president. Notice Kavanaugh wasn't on the list...........

"Donald Trump on Wednesday unveiled a list of 11 judges he would consider nominating to fill the seat of late Justice Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court, an unusual move for a presidential candidate that underscores his efforts to appeal to conservatives.

The list includes: Steven Colloton of Iowa, Allison Eid of Colorado, Raymond Gruender of Missouri, Thomas Hardiman of Pennsylvania, Raymond Kethledge of Michigan, Joan Larsen of Michigan, Thomas Lee of Utah, William Pryor of Alabama, David Stras of Minnesota, Diane Sykes of Wisconsin and Don Willett of Texas.
In a statement, Trump said he planned to use the list "as a guide to nominate our next United States Supreme Court Justices" and said the names are "representative of the kind of constitutional principles I value."
The announcement is the latest example of Trump's unorthodox campaign. Presidential candidates rarely mention specific people they would nominate and instead often talk about the profile of potential nominees. But Trump was questioned during the Republican primary campaign about his allegiance to conservative causes and releasing the list could quell those concerns."

"There are some qualified women "

Agreed.

"automatically disarms one argument."

OK, I see what you mean, for political ease of confirmation, maybe he should have picked a woman. That's really smart actually, you're right.

[scottw]

yeah because they would have been nice to a woman....pleeeese....


democrats love to play dirty then whine about civility

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

How would she have known the FBI was performing a background check? Even then, if he wasn't charged at the time the FBI wouldn't have had anything to find, it's a background check for items on the record.

That's weird, when I go through my background check for work, they talk to neighbors, friends, former employers, and people I currently work with. and I'm just a nobody. Are you saying that they don't dig as deep for a possible SC Justice?

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That's weird, when I go through my background check for work, they talk to neighbors, friends, former employers, and people I currently work with. and I'm just a nobody. Are you saying that they don't dig as deep for a possible SC Justice?

Was speaking about an obscure event from decades ago. If there's nothing on the record what do they have to research? It's not likely a family member is going to be like, oh and that time he assaulted someone.

You're check was for clearance I'm assuming, I don't think SCOTUS have that.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Tell that to Citizens United.

Hahaha - there's the rub ; )

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The accuser would not have known. But Senator Diane Feinstein knows, and she had the letter since July.

Kavanaigh has gone through six different background checks in his years of service.

"it's a background check for items on the record"

And you know this how, exactly? They don't make any additional inquiries? And IF that's true, that's more reason for Feinstein to have gotten this on the record before they started the check.

Sure smells like a tactic - everything is a tactic.

[wdmso]

and why do the dems care lets be realistic it happen in High school ...

Conservatives dont care!! it does not matter to them .. the guy is on their Team just look at Trump he is a sexual abuser! and they dont care ..the GOP haven't Sailed on the USS morality for decades

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and why do the dems care lets be realistic it happen in High school ...

Conservatives dont care!! it does not matter to them .. the guy is on their Team just look at Trump he is a sexual abuser! and they dont care ..the GOP haven't Sailed on the USS morality for decades

I care. If he did it, I don't want him on SCOTUS. But any rational person would be very skeptical here.

"the GOP haven't Sailed on the USS morality for decades"

And there's all kinds of data to support that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by DZ

He obviously has been painted as someone with unparalleled integrity based on the testimony we've heard about. If it comes down to a
"he said/she said" argument he would prevail (unless of course more women start coming out).

I don't know. If they both testify and she comes off as credible it could be enough to derail his appointment. I also found it interesting he said today he wasn't at that party...if a single person fingers him as being there he's likely done.

Generally speaking I don't like things playing out like this bug given how hard the GOP worked to hide his record I guess it's the bed they made. I'd still like some answers on how he went from being deeply in debt to instantly paying off all his bills and buying a nice house in about 12 months just in time for his nomination.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't know. If they both testify and she comes off as credible it could be enough to derail his appointment. I also found it interesting he said today he wasn't at that party...if a single person fingers him as being there he's likely done.

Generally speaking I don't like things playing out like this bug given how hard the GOP worked to hide his record I guess it's the bed they made. I'd still like some answers on how he went from being deeply in debt to instantly paying off all his bills and buying a nice house in about 12 months just in time for his nomination.

"If they both testify and she comes off as credible it could be enough to derail his appointment."

Well she named a "witness" who vehemently denies the event, so there goes much of her credibility. But to you, people who help the accusation will have instant credibility, people who refute the accusation instantly have some ulterior motive. Have you noticed that?

"if a single person fingers him as being there he's likely done.'

Yes, especially if the person who puts him there, is the CEO of Planned Parenthood. Let's let her decide.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and why do the dems care lets be realistic it happen in High school ...

Conservatives dont care!! it does not matter to them .. the guy is on their Team just look at Trump he is a sexual abuser! and they dont care ..the GOP haven't Sailed on the USS morality for decades

Because there is a Statute of Limitations. That and this smells like something fabricated. So at best it comes down to a he said she said.

If there was something today (I don't know if you have kids) and something like this happened to one of yours you would want it followed through and investigated.

Oh, and the GOP surely does not corner the market in Sexual Abusers. It is something bad people do and there is no shortage of either in both parties.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Because there is a Statute of Limitations. That and this smells like something fabricated. So at best it comes down to a he said she said.

Didn't he claimed when asked, that he said he never molested anybody. So if the accusation is true he lied under oath and that should disqualify me. It's going to come down to he said she said as you said.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

..the GOP haven't Sailed on the USS morality for decades

good...then the democrats can stop demanding morality from the republicans and screaming hypocrite when there is an issue...the republicans are at least nearly as bad as the democrats

an adult Kennedy killed a woman and ran for president, spent decades in the senate and is a celebrated democrat icon

an adult Clinton likely raped a woman, sexually abused others and ruined the lives of others who dared to come forward and he served two terms as president and is a celebrated democrat icon

if a teenage Kavanaugh did what he is being accused he's still more qualified to serve than either of those two dirt bags

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

that should disqualify me.


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OK ...you are disqualified

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

OK ...you are disqualified

😁
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Didn't he claimed when asked, that he said he never molested anybody. So if the accusation is true he lied under oath and that should disqualify me. It's going to come down to he said she said as you said.
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If he did it, he should get the boot. There's no basis to conclude he did it with any certainty. The accuser named one witness to the assault, and the witness vehemently denies seeing any assault.

He has also had six separate background checks done. Tuned up squat.

Her credibility is tainted, and that's putting it mildly. You need something more than he said, she said.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

an adult Clinton likely raped a woman, sexually abused others and ruined the lives of others who dared to come forward and he served two terms as president and is a celebrated democrat icon

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And Clinton's wife used her pulpit as First Lady, to slut shame his victims on national TV. And she qualifies as a feminist hero and presidential candidate.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the GOP haven't Sailed on the USS morality for decades

[Jim in CT]

TDF we have our share of weirdos unfortunately. in the case if the men you showed, there was a lot more evidence than a 35 year old accusation, which again was refuted by the one witness the accuser says was there.

Compare this to the case if Keith Ellison, the #2 at the DNC, who has been accused, and i believe ( not certain) there is a 911 call that appears to back up the accusers claims. no one is demanding that Ellison step down.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd still like some answers on how he went from being deeply in debt to instantly paying off all his bills and buying a nice house in about 12 months just in time for his nomination.

sounds like Obama up until he became a politician....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

TDF we have our share of weirdos unfortunately.
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No argument there, just pointing out that the other side hasn't booked a trip on this cruise either.

Originally Posted by wdmso

the GOP haven't Sailed on the USS morality for decades

[scottw]

when are we going to throw John Kerry in jail?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

when are we going to throw John Kerry in jail?

Is that what happens to people who oppose the current regimes policies?
Scary on many levels

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Is that what happens to people who oppose the current regimes policies?
Scary on many levels