Hawaii senator Mazie Hirono on Kavanaugh

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Not saying he shouldn't be confirmed but have an independent investigatative arm of the gov. (the FBI) do an investigation and have a fair hearing w/witnesses.



And Orrin Hatch said

“The judge who I know very, very well, is an honest man, said this didn’t happen,” Hatch said, according to The Hill.

Sounds like he has already made his mind up that K is innocent so the so called hearing will be a joke.

"have an independent investigatative arm of the gov. (the FBI) do an investigation and have a fair hearing w/witnesses."

I have no quarrel with that, but its very likely it will boil down to he said / she said. And the time to do this, as Senator Feinstein well knows, was when the FBI was already doing his background check. Paul, why do you suppose they didn't ask for the investigation then, in which case this would be behind us now?

"The judge who I know very, very well, is an honest man, said this didn’t happen,” Hatch said, according to The Hill."

He shouldn't be saying that, it's wrong for him to say that.

Now Paul, what do you think of Senator Horino, saying on TV that we "need to believe" Kavanaugh's accuser? She has also made up her mind ahead of time, which further contributes to the hearing being a joke.

I cannot possibly know what happened. But I'm pretty certain that the allegation will never be proven to any rational level of certainty, in which case no one should oppose his nomination based on this event.

I gotta hand it to the democrats, this is win-win. If they derail his nomination, and they re-take the senate, they can stop Trump from shifting the court to the right. If he gets confirmed, all of them will be shrieking right up until the midterms, that republicans have no empathy for victims of sexual assault. The only political risk, is that if this tactic (it's pretty underhanded) turns off voters in the key swing states. Sure it will increases the margin of victory in places where they would have won anyway, but does it help in WV and OH? We'll see.

Paul, why do you suppose that Senator Horino says we need to believe Kavanaugh';s accuser, but she's not saying we need to believe Keith Ellison's accuser? This kind of dirty fighting from the left is exactly why Trump got elected, and at times like this I thank God we have a POTUS who is more than wiling to take off the boxing gloves, and out on the brass knuckles, when his opponents do the same.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Paul, why do you suppose they didn't ask for the investigation then, in which case this would be behind us now?
prob. for some of the same reasons the Repubs. waited until the night before to release 17K?? pages of docs.


Now Paul, what do you think of Senator Horino, saying on TV that we "need to believe" Kavanaugh's accuser?

Politics - same as Hatch's statement.

Paul, why do you suppose that Senator Horino says we need to believe Kavanaugh';s accuser, but she's not saying we need to believe Keith Ellison's accuser? PoliticsThis kind of dirty fighting from the left is exactly why Trump got elected, and at times like this I thank God we have a POTUS who is more than wiling to take off the boxing gloves, and out on the brass knuckles, when his opponents do the same.

Both parties do it but you are so blinded that you think 1 party does it more than the other.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Both parties do it but you are so blinded that you think 1 party does it more than the other.

one party consistently takes it to all new levels of ick....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Both parties do it but you are so blinded that you think 1 party does it more than the other.

Both parties do it, no question. Even in the age of Trump, I see no comparison in frequency. But I know I'm biased.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Both parties do it but you are so blinded that you think 1 party does it more than the other.

And sorry I didn't say it immediately, I respect your post (not the part calling me blind), it was uncommonly honest. Not uncommon for you, uncommon for all of us.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This kind of dirty fighting from the left is exactly why Trump got elected,

Your completely indoctrinated in rights proganga if you think

1 the dems fight dirty ( compared to the Republicans )

2 and thats what help elect Trump .


your detached from reality

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your completely indoctrinated in rights proganga if you think

1 the dems fight dirty ( compared to the Republicans )

2 and thats what help elect Trump .


your detached from reality

If you’re going to accuse people of being detached from reality, it would help your argument if knew the difference between you’re and your. Most of us learned that in elementary school.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by fishbones

If you’re going to accuse people of being detached from reality, it would help your argument if knew the difference between you’re and your. Most of us learned that in elementary school.
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thanks for adding nothing to the conversation. it must be liberating

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by wdmso

thanks for adding nothing to the conversation. it must be liberating

You’re welcome. See how I used the word correctly there? It is liberating to be smarter than people who are not only narrow minded but simple.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by fishbones

You’re welcome. See how I used the word correctly there? It is liberating to be smarter than people who are not only narrow minded but simple.
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Please be safe it is dangerous sitting on such a high horse

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by fishbones

You’re welcome. See how I used the word correctly there? It is liberating to be smarter than people who are not only narrow minded but simple.
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Looks like another new low for this forum.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Looks like another new low for this forum.
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Hold my beer....
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Looks like another new low for this forum.
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Nothing to add except to comment on a post as usual.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your completely indoctrinated in rights proganga if you think

1 the dems fight dirty ( compared to the Republicans )

2 and thats what help elect Trump .


your detached from reality

OK. So what happens when liberal speakers give a speech on college campus - nothing. WHat happens when conservatives try to give a speech - a riot. Compare the tea party to Occupy Wall Street or Black Lives Matter. Look at this case.

Of course the left's habit of fighting dirty helped lead to Trump.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

OK. So what happens when liberal speakers give a speech on college campus - nothing. WHat happens when conservatives try to give a speech - a riot. Compare the tea party to Occupy Wall Street or Black Lives Matter. Look at this case.

Of course the left's habit of fighting dirty helped lead to Trump.

Of course you wouldn’t be guilty of any of these things

In these times, however, it’s a joke to focus on incivility by Democrats even as the Republican president routinely says things that are as bad as or worse than the attacks of the most irresponsible Democratic no-name precinct chair. Nor is President Donald Trump as much of an outlier as one might imagine. After all, his crusade to declare President Barack Obama a non-citizen was taken up by many Republican politicians; his repeated ethnic slur against Senator Elizabeth Warren, repeated this past weekend, was adapted from one used against her by Massachusetts Republicans.

This strain of Republican rhetoric goes back to Newt Gingrich in the 1980s and 1990s. The lawmaker from Georgia who became House speaker was not just prone to excessive rhetoric himself, but trained Republican politicians to use extreme wording.

Then there’s Republican-aligned media, a constant source of institutionalized incivility that encourages a politics of grievance by searching out any examples of Democratic rhetorical excess.


Basically, anyone who thinks the parties are even remotely equivalent on this score is treating Trump as if he doesn’t count. And anyone who thinks the parties are roughly equivalent if you remove Trump from the equation should take Kevin Drum’s advice and spend more time critically monitoring Republican-aligned media. And, as Norm Ornstein reminds us, critical monitoring is not the same as reacting to the problem of incivility with a “knee-jerk response” of trying to find equal fault on both sides. and using conservative outlets only as a source for finding examples of poor Democratic behavior.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Of course you wouldn’t be guilty of any of these things

In these times, however, it’s a joke to focus on incivility by Democrats even as the Republican president routinely says things that are as bad as or worse than the attacks of the most irresponsible Democratic no-name precinct chair. Nor is President Donald Trump as much of an outlier as one might imagine. After all, his crusade to declare President Barack Obama a non-citizen was taken up by many Republican politicians; his repeated ethnic slur against Senator Elizabeth Warren, repeated this past weekend, was adapted from one used against her by Massachusetts Republicans.

This strain of Republican rhetoric goes back to Newt Gingrich in the 1980s and 1990s. The lawmaker from Georgia who became House speaker was not just prone to excessive rhetoric himself, but trained Republican politicians to use extreme wording.

Then there’s Republican-aligned media, a constant source of institutionalized incivility that encourages a politics of grievance by searching out any examples of Democratic rhetorical excess.


Basically, anyone who thinks the parties are even remotely equivalent on this score is treating Trump as if he doesn’t count. And anyone who thinks the parties are roughly equivalent if you remove Trump from the equation should take Kevin Drum’s advice and spend more time critically monitoring Republican-aligned media. And, as Norm Ornstein reminds us, critical monitoring is not the same as reacting to the problem of incivility with a “knee-jerk response” of trying to find equal fault on both sides. and using conservative outlets only as a source for finding examples of poor Democratic behavior.
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this is stupid....did you write this pete or are you plagiarizing again?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is stupid....did you write this pete or are you plagiarizing again?

Plagiarizing
It take it you disagree
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