Human caravan

[Sea Dangles]

Why do these folks want to come to the land of oppression? Just in time for elections too,nothing to see or more than coincidence:::::

[spence]

How about because they’re desperate to flee violence. What would you do if it was your kids? How much Kool Aid have you drank this week?
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[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by spence

How about because they’re desperate to flee violence. What would you do if it was your kids? How much Kool Aid have you drank this week?
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How many are you taking in your home since you are all for it ???
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

How about because they’re desperate to flee violence. What would you do if it was your kids? How much Kool Aid have you drank this week?
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If they're seeking asylum as refugees, by UN law they must do so in the first country they enter, which, in this case, would be Mexico. They should be stopped at our border and returned to Mexico for the Asylum process. https://cis.org/Cadman/Why-Shouldnt-...-Asylum-Mexico

On the other hand, instead of being generous to 7-10 thousand at a time, we should just go ahead and import the entire populations of Honduras and Guatemala. That would finally take care of the reputedly serious problems for the millions of people that need to escape those dangerous hell holes where the people are starved and murdered and raped and enslaved (though they look pretty well fed in the photos and videos and must be in pretty good health to trek on such a long journey on foot, and they should, you know, for good and neighborly optics, wave American flags instead of those of the place from whence they are trying to escape and maybe not have signs and shouts that sound a bit threatening and demanding which might upset a little bit our fine folks here).

So doing that we would also solve our continuous problem of having to deal with caravans and coyotes and other pesky problems that politicians use as a wedge issue. And we could seriously virtue signal to the rest of the world that we are truly a compassionate people. And then the world would truly love us.

Maybe we could take in all the Mexicans too . . . and the Venezuelans . . . and

[Sea Dangles]

My oldest survived spring break in Mexico!

Seriously Jeff, I don’t drink kook aid. Don’t you find the timing of this spontaneous caravan curious? Do you think these folks have read about Chicago?
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[wdmso]

More conspiracy theories .. so to go along with it rather than it being a Dem plot How about a Republican plot

It seems to be a convent timing for the midterms to motivate Trumps base And give him a topic Tweet about .. and to show them how tough he is and his supports have run with it its evident here


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The Caravans are a disgrace to the Democrat Party. Change the immigration laws NOW!

3:14 PM - Oct 21, 2018


Trump on migrant caravan: 'It's not happening on my watch'Trump claims Democrats ‘allowed’ migrant caravan


Even Fox Trumps state news network is running stories about when the will arrive near election day as if they're going to vote

Louie Gohmert: ‘Perhaps Soros’ is ‘Funding’ Caravan for Midterms

suspected letter bomb found at the home of billionaire businessman George Soros Who could have sent it? the Proud Boys ?


Again classic Republican fear mongering

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

More conspiracy theories .. so to go along with it rather than it being a Dem plot How about a Republican plot

this is accurate...trump and the republicans have encouraged and organized thousands of central americans to march to our southern border, funding them the entire way so that they can push their way across our border and demand acceptance regardless of how many others are waiting to enter the country through legal means....this will cause the base to turn out in big numbers in november, trump and the republicans will keep the house and senate, get a couple more supreme court judges and build a beautiful wall along our southern border....BRILLIANT!!!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

How about because they’re desperate to flee violence. What would you do if it was your kids? How much Kool Aid have you drank this week?
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I can't imagine the desperation some of these people feel who are born into the worst places on the planet. But the sad fact is, we cannot come close to taking in everyone whose lives would be better here, we cannot come close to doing that. Do you agree?

What we can do, and should do, is work to make their home countries, less awful. I'm pretty sure that's what the UN was supposed to be for, maybe we can remind them of that.

Once again rather than honestly admit the facts, the left (you in this case) immediately portray those who disagree with you, as being hatemongers who have no empathy for these people. It's not remotely true. Right now, there are people waiting in line in other crappy places, waiting for their chance to come legally.

[Got Stripers]

I think anyone believing this is a plot and organized for the mid terms has clearly been wearing a tin foil hat far too tightly. I'd also agree Mexico should be the country stepping up to offer asylum to these people.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I can't imagine the desperation some of these people feel who are born into the worst places on the planet. But the sad fact is, we cannot come close to taking in everyone whose lives would be better here, we cannot come close to doing that. Do you agree?

What we can do, and should do, is work to make their home countries, less awful. I'm pretty sure that's what the UN was supposed to be for, maybe we can remind them of that.

Once again rather than honestly admit the facts, the left (you in this case) immediately portray those who disagree with you, as being hatemongers who have no empathy for these people. It's not remotely true. Right now, there are people waiting in line in other crappy places, waiting for their chance to come legally.

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Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador were not able to do the job of stopping people from leaving their country and coming illegally to the U.S. We will now begin cutting off, or substantially reducing, the massive foreign aid routinely given to them.

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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I think anyone believing this is a plot and organized for the mid terms has clearly been wearing a tin foil hat far too tightly. I'd also agree Mexico should be the country stepping up to offer asylum to these people.

By taking on thousands of refugees, however, Mexico is relieving the burden on the overloaded U.S. courts. Mexico also detains large numbers of undocumented Central Americans who are not applying for refugee status here, and deports them back to their home countries. In fiscal year 2017, Mexico deported more than 94,000 Central Americans – even more than the 74,000 deported from the United States in the same time, according to figures from the Migration Policy Institute cited by the newspaper Reforma.

[Pete F.]

Here is a fairly non partisan look at what has and is occuring in Central America and why people are fleeing.

Tens of thousands of Salvadorans, Guatemalans, and Hondurans, many of them unaccompanied minors, have arrived in the United States in recent years, seeking asylum from the region’s skyrocketing violence. Their countries, which form a region known as the Northern Triangle, were rocked by civil wars in the 1980s, leaving a legacy of violence and fragile institutions.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/cen...thern-triangle

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I think anyone believing this is a plot and organized for the mid terms has clearly been wearing a tin foil hat far too tightly. I'd also agree Mexico should be the country stepping up to offer asylum to these people.

and i think if you feel this has nothing to do with politics, you have your head in the sand. who is feeding these people along the way? i don’t see anyone carrying a months supply of food.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here is a fairly non partisan look at what has and is occuring in Central America and why people are fleeing.

Tens of thousands of Salvadorans, Guatemalans, and Hondurans, many of them unaccompanied minors, have arrived in the United States in recent years, seeking asylum from the region’s skyrocketing violence. Their countries, which form a region known as the Northern Triangle, were rocked by civil wars in the 1980s, leaving a legacy of violence and fragile institutions.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/cen...thern-triangle

no one is denying that these people need help. but what liberals
don’t seem to grasp, is that we can’t take them all. we don’t have the space or the money.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

By taking on thousands of refugees, however, Mexico is relieving the burden on the overloaded U.S. courts. Mexico also detains large numbers of undocumented Central Americans who are not applying for refugee status here, and deports them back to their home countries. In fiscal year 2017, Mexico deported more than 94,000 Central Americans – even more than the 74,000 deported from the United States in the same time, according to figures from the Migration Policy Institute cited by the newspaper Reforma.

From what you say here, it is apparent that Mexico could easily send the Central American caravan back to their homes. Why does Mexico allow them in their country? I've read that sympathetic Mexicans have been helping and cheering on the growing caravan as it continues north. But their sympathy doesn't seem to extend to offering the caravan sanctuary in Mexico.

[DZ]

Regardless of whether this is plotted or not. One thing is for sure is we cannot let any of them in.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and i think if you feel this has nothing to do with politics, you have your head in the sand. who is feeding these people along the way? i don’t see anyone carrying a months supply of food.
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It's pretty interesting how it started

https://www.thedailybeast.com/forget...gan?ref=scroll

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by DZ

Regardless of whether this is plotted or not. One thing is for sure is we cannot let any of them in.

We could not conform with international law and treaties and domestic law. There is likely nothing the rest of the world could or would do.
But if we want to live in a world where our word and the rule of law is important, not following laws and negotiated agreements is not a good precendent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7552621.html

[Cool Beans]

Or we could just invite these hell hole countries to become new states. Then they wouldn't have to walk thousands of miles to vote.

If Guatemala and Honduras were US states, the automotive and other big industry could open factories there (in the US) paying a decent wage. If the hell holes cannot evolve into not hell holes, this problem will never end.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We could not conform with international law and treaties and domestic law. There is likely nothing the rest of the world could or would do.
But if we want to live in a world where our word and the rule of law is important, not following laws and negotiated agreements is not a good precendent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7552621.html

"That said, a person cannot claim asylum unless they are on US soil."

that's the key, they have to be here to claim it. It's not a violation to not grant it if they aren't here.

[DZ]

Yep - they are safe in Mexico - otherwise they would have never taken the chance to March through it. The precedent we definitely don't want to set is letting them in. They can request permission and wait their turn - in Mexico. This is Mexico's problem.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

"That said, a person cannot claim asylum unless they are on US soil."

that's the key, they have to be here to claim it. It's not a violation to not grant it if they aren't here.

So if Mexico ignores treaties and laws it doesn’t count?
Or are you suggesting that like Don the Con’s good friend in North Korea, Central American countries should prevent their citizens from leaving?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So if Mexico ignores treaties and laws it doesn’t count?
Or are you suggesting that like Don the Con’s good friend in North Korea, Central American countries should prevent their citizens from leaving?
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Well, There's some serious word twisting there.

They can leave any country they want. I'm suggesting that the US not allowing them in isn't violating any International Law. No More, No Less

[scottw]

Originally Posted by DZ

Regardless of whether this is plotted or not. One thing is for sure is we cannot let any of them in.

I don't know...I'm thinking we have the military meet them at the border and airlift them to one of the many sanctuary cities and then cut off all federal aid to sanctuary cities and let them figure it out WIN....WIN

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and i think if you feel this has nothing to do with politics, you have your head in the sand. who is feeding these people along the way? i don’t see anyone carrying a months supply of food.
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If anyone's feeding them, it's likely the Mexican government, hoping they stay strong and truck right on thru to the US border so they don't have to deal with them.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well, There's some serious word twisting there.

They can leave any country they want. I'm suggesting that the US not allowing them in isn't violating any International Law. No More, No Less

International law set by several treaties we signed and ratified says that if a person on your soil applies for refugee status, you have to deal with it (it's more complicated than that, of course) not that you have to grant it.
So is what you are suggesting, much like the boatloads of refugees crossing the Mediteranian to Europe, perhaps swimming the Rio Grande or boatloads in the Caribean to other parts of the US would be preferable to walking up to the border?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

I don't know...I'm thinking we have the military meet them at the border and airlift them to one of the many sanctuary cities and then cut off all federal aid to sanctuary cities and let them figure it out WIN....WIN

Perhaps the 5th largest GDP in the world would say ok and cut off their aid to the federal government.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

International law set by ....

so you want to let them all in Pete?

[DZ]

This will be a very complex national emergency. By law it will come down to the governors of each border state to ask for federal assistance and the Posse Comitatus Act.
Here is a good article outlining scenarios of what could happen.
https://www.justsecurity.org/54529/m...key-takeaways/

[FishermanTim]

They are either the smartest or the dumbest bulbs in the pack.

Choosing to make the trek as the weather gets colder?

Either play to public sympathy or take on public ridicule.....