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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I completely agree that Christianity has lost its way. This migration isn't evidence of that...but liberalism sure is.

And yet the conservative phil. Is to cut the taxes of the rich and then blame the soaring deficits on entitlement spending so they can cut benefits from the poor and less fortunate. They have no empathy or pity. At least we don't have to hear the words "compassionate conservative" any more.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And yet the conservative phil. Is to cut the taxes of the rich and then blame the soaring deficits on entitlement spending so they can cut benefits from the poor and less fortunate. They have no empathy or pity. At least we don't have to hear the words "compassionate conservative" any more.
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do you ever get one right, even by accident? the conservative philosophy is to avoid wasteful spending to keep taxes for everyone, no higher than they need to be. try poking holes in that. if conservatives have no empathy or pity, why does the new york times admit that conservatives give more
money and time to charity, than liberals do?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

do you ever get one right, even by accident? the conservative philosophy is to avoid wasteful spending to keep taxes for everyone, no higher than they need to be. try poking holes in that. if conservatives have no empathy or pity, why does the new york times admit that conservatives give more
money and time to charity, than liberals do?
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Just because Arthur Brooks writes a book that says so doesn’t make it true
A 2013 MIT study found charitable giving equal between liberals and conservatives
We’ll see how the latest Republican tax reform affects charitable giving since many people will have a harder time taking deductions
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just because Arthur Brooks writes a book that says so doesn’t make it true
A 2013 MIT study found charitable giving equal between liberals and conservatives
We’ll see how the latest Republican tax reform affects charitable giving since many people will have a harder time taking deductions
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"Just because Arthur Brooks writes a book that says so doesn’t make it true"

And just because you hate the findings, doesn't make it false.

"A 2013 MIT study found charitable giving equal between liberals and conservatives "

Fine. SO no difference in generosity between liberals and conservatives. Is that what you're saying? I have no problem conceding that, none. Can you concede it?

"We’ll see how the latest Republican tax reform affects charitable giving since many people will have a harder time taking deductions"

Most people saw an INCREASE in take-home pay. True or false?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Just because Arthur Brooks writes a book that says so doesn’t make it true"

And just because you hate the findings, doesn't make it false.

"A 2013 MIT study found charitable giving equal between liberals and conservatives "

Fine. SO no difference in generosity between liberals and conservatives. Is that what you're saying? I have no problem conceding that, none. Can you concede it?

"We’ll see how the latest Republican tax reform affects charitable giving since many people will have a harder time taking deductions"

Most people saw an INCREASE in take-home pay. True or false?

I would tell you that there’s conflicting studies and it’s likely that political views are not reflected in charitable giving.
How does the increase in take home pay affect tax deductions for charitable giving?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I would tell you that there’s conflicting studies and it’s likely that political views are not reflected in charitable giving.
How does the increase in take home pay affect tax deductions for charitable giving?
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"it’s likely that political views are not reflected in charitable giving."

In other words, you have no basis whatsoever to claim that liberals are more generous, but you just can't bear to say it out loud.'

"How does the increase in take home pay affect tax deductions for charitable giving?"

Increases in take-home pay give us more disposable income with which to make donations. Is that really going too fast for you.

Pete, here is every single post you have ever made, boiled down to this...

liberal=good, conservative=bad.

I wonder what you'd say about why the state of CT is going bankrupt.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"it’s likely that political views are not reflected in charitable giving."

In other words, you have no basis whatsoever to claim that liberals are more generous, but you just can't bear to say it out loud.'

Would it be possible that political affiliation has no demonstrable correlation with charitable giving? Or is everything driven by politics?

"How does the increase in take home pay affect tax deductions for charitable giving?"

Increases in take-home pay give us more disposable income with which to make donations. Is that really going too fast for you.

You do understand that deductions for charitable giving increase the amount you can give without affecting your spendable income, and that changing how deductions worked greatly reduced the advantages of giving.

Pete, here is every single post you have ever made, boiled down to this...

liberal=good, conservative=bad.

I wonder what you'd say about why the state of CT is going bankrupt.

Of course it's the Liberals bankrupting CT, left to their own devices Conservatives would make it as good as Kansas.
Nothing will work well, till people work together.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

do you ever get one right, even by accident? the conservative philosophy is to avoid wasteful spending to keep taxes for everyone, no higher than they need to be. try poking holes in that. if conservatives have no empathy or pity, why does the new york times admit that conservatives give more
money and time to charity, than liberals do?
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We've discussed this 20 times - the conserv. give $ to their church (like I do w/about 50% of my yearly donations). Take that out and factor in the amount of poor who vote D, then it is prob different.

Any your's and my donations can't make up for what the govern. does.

Fact is that the conserv. policies always try to cut back on spending to the poor. Shows their lack of empathy.

Both Tillerson and G. Cohen said that Trump has no empathy (and pity) and Trump pretty much owns the R party now.

And you always complain that the Ds. ripped Romney apart. They did - bc he said he didn't have to worry about 47% of the country (shows his lack of empathy although I don't want to put him in the category as Trump). If Obama said he didn't care about almost 50% of the country you would have posted that 500 times.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

We've discussed this 20 times - the conserv. give $ to their church (like I do w/about 50% of my yearly donations). Take that out and factor in the amount of poor who vote D, then it is prob different.

Any your's and my donations can't make up for what the govern. does.

Fact is that the conserv. policies always try to cut back on spending to the poor. Shows their lack of empathy.

Both Tillerson and G. Cohen said that Trump has no empathy (and pity) and Trump pretty much owns the R party now.

And you always complain that the Ds. ripped Romney apart. They did - bc he said he didn't have to worry about 47% of the country (shows his lack of empathy although I don't want to put him in the category as Trump). If Obama said he didn't care about almost 50% of the country you would have posted that 500 times.

" Take that out and factor in the amount of poor who vote D, then it is prob different."

Why take out church donations, much of which goes to help the poor? Can't imagine why you'd suggest to ignore that..

"They did - bc he said he didn't have to worry about 47% of the country "

He absolutely deserved criticism for that. I have no problem with fair criticism, as long as you also give credit where credit is due. There are many, many examples of Romney's empathy and generosity. The media also called him a sexist because he had women's resumes in a binder. That was asinine. But that is what CNN did, and it was a joke.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

" Take that out and factor in the amount of poor who vote D, then it is prob different."

Why take out church donations, much of which goes to help the poor? Can't imagine why you'd suggest to ignore that.. Bc it is a little self serving. If I give $ for my church most people won't be able to benefit like I would. I can now sit in a nice new beautiful church and enjoy all the things my donation made possible (the coffee hour after church, the language classes, the sports programs, the bible study, etc).

"They did - bc he said he didn't have to worry about 47% of the country "

He absolutely deserved criticism for that. I have no problem with fair criticism, as long as you also give credit where credit is due. There are many, many examples of Romney's empathy and generosity. The media also called him a sexist because he had women's resumes in a binder. That was asinine. But that is what CNN did, and it was a joke.

I am sure he is far far more generous than Pres. Trump - esp. being a Morman. But isn't that what people do during elections - find something and blow it up to make someone look bad?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I am sure he is far far more generous than Pres. Trump - esp. being a Morman. But isn't that what people do during elections - find something and blow it up to make someone look bad?

you make it sound like donations to your church mostly serve the parish. that’s not how a lot of churches handle donations. the catholic church spends a ton housing, feeding, and providing medical care, for the poor.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you make it sound like donations to your church mostly serve the parish. that’s not how a lot of churches handle donations. the catholic church spends a ton housing, feeding, and providing medical care, for the poor.
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I think most donations go towards the running/mortgage of the church. No doubt most churches do all they can - soup kitchens, etc.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Both Tillerson and G. Cohen said that Trump has no empathy (and pity) and Trump pretty much owns the R party now.

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So why did Trump, many years ago, donate his jet for a sick child to use, to fly all his medical equipment across the country? And how generous he has been with fallen cops? But Tillerson says he has no empathy, and by jiminy, that's good enough for you.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So why did Trump, many years ago, donate his jet for a sick child to use, to fly all his medical equipment across the country? And how generous he has been with fallen cops? But Tillerson says he has no empathy, and by jiminy, that's good enough for you.

Big deal - he did it many many years ago as you mentioned. There are not many examples of his being generous in NY. And I know you know how he has gotten in trouble for his foundation paying for fines and a painting out of its funds. I think NY is now suing him over more issues w/the foundation.