Human caravan

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He's not governing by fear alone. We still have courts and the constitution to protect us from him.

It's the resistance to Trump, that I see using fear. He's Hitler! All the women will die if Kavanaugh is on the court! Trump wants to kill everybody! Who will save us???!!

Meanwhile, very quietly, back unemployment and black poverty are at the lowest levels ever recorded. Very quietly, GDP grew by 4.3% in the 2Q and by 3.5% (I think) in 3Q. And almost all of us have a little more take-home pay. As hard as you try to deny it, that's good for you.

What are you afraid would happen, if you admitted that he has been good for the economy?

I think RFK put it well and he would likely be considered a centrist today.

Robert F. Kennedy put his finger on the inadequacy of gross domestic product in his March 1968 speech in Lawrence, Kan.: GDP “counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage,” he said.

And yet, Kennedy continued, GDP “does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile.”

As far as Trump and Trumplicans are concerned, the only things that have any value are those things that can fetch a price.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As far as Trump and Trumplicans are concerned, the only things that have any value are those things that can fetch a price.

amazing, then, that no data suggests that liberals are more generous or charitable than conservatives. but you won’t let silly things like facts get in the way of ranting against those who disagree with you, will you?

so now that you hate the POTUS, we aren’t supposed to talk about the economy because that’s materialistic.

Sick in the head with hate.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

amazing, then, that no data suggests that liberals are more generous or charitable than conservatives. but you won’t let silly things like facts get in the way of ranting against those who disagree with you, will you?

so now that you hate the POTUS, we aren’t supposed to talk about the economy because that’s materialistic.

Sick in the head with hate.
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Try a little recreational sex, it's good for you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Try a little recreational sex, it's good for you.

You claimed that people who root for a healthy economy, cannot also care about the emotional well being of others. But I'm the one who needs to unwind? Pretty sure that's not the case.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think RFK put it well and he would likely be considered a centrist today.

Robert F. Kennedy put his finger on the inadequacy of gross domestic product in his March 1968 speech in Lawrence, Kan.: GDP “counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage,” he said.

And yet, Kennedy continued, GDP “does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile.”

As far as Trump and Trumplicans are concerned, the only things that have any value are those things that can fetch a price.

You use the RFK quote as a straw-mannish idiotic tautology. You set up GDP as lacking something it does not purport to measure. Then you seem to accuse it, by implication, of only doing that which it purports to do--speak of those things that involve a price. And from that you loosely slide that into meaning that Trump and Trumplicans only value things that fetch a price.

As usual, there is a vast unexplored space between your argument and your conclusion. One doesn't necessarily follow the other. Just because a Trumplican puts value in GDP, does not mean that he values nothing else.

i'm sure that Jim values other things than GDP which make "life worthwhile."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You use the RFK quote as a straw-mannish idiotic tautology. You set up GDP as lacking something it does not purport to measure. Then you seem to accuse it, by implication, of only doing that which it purports to do--speak of those things that involve a price. And from that you loosely slide that into meaning that Trump and Trumplicans only value things that fetch a price.

As usual, there is a vast unexplored space between your argument and your conclusion. One doesn't necessarily follow the other. Just because a Trumplican puts value in GDP, does not mean that he values nothing else.

i'm sure that Jim values other things than GDP which make "life worthwhile."

Right, because if I think rising GDP is a good thing, I can't simultaneously care about kids being happy and seniors being comfortable. Nope, hoping for a robust GDP, according to him, necessarily means I can't care about anything else.

Think about how stupid this is. You and I have argued multiple times about my liberal position of free healthcare for congenital conditions. And yet I also root for robust GDP, and I also foster rescue dogs. How can that be? I am excited about tax cuts, yet I also want small class sizes for schoolchildren. How is that possible?

That was a really, really dumb argument.