Birthright citizenship

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wrong. we know that the 14th amendment was crafted to apply to newly freed slaves. period. the senator who wrote the amendment, said it very explicitly when he introduced the amendment.
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and the 2a was when arms were muskets ... you can't have it both ways are only slaves only mentioned in the 14th amendment ?? if not you have no argument

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and the 2a was when arms were muskets ... you can't have it both ways are only slaves only mentioned in the 14th amendment ?? if not you have no argument

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[scottw]

slaves didn't sneak into the country stupid

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and the 2a was when arms were muskets ... you can't have it both ways are only slaves only mentioned in the 14th amendment ?? if not you have no argument

hey i agree with you that we need some limitations to what’s available. i’m not asking to have it both ways...many conservatives do, i’m not one of them. Fair enough?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

hey i agree with you that we need some limitations to what’s available. i’m not asking to have it both ways...many conservatives do, i’m not one of them. Fair enough?
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there's that and there's also the fact you may have your right to bear arms infringed upon if you commit a crime ...similarly if you break in to the country you and your offspring should not get citizenship, do not pass go and do not collect $100...if you come in by legal means and you want your child to be an American citizen .....that' s perfectly cool..though I'd think you'd want your kids to have the same citizenship as you.... it seems as though some of the socialist utopias around the world have or are working to ban that as well

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and the 2a was when arms were muskets ... you can't have it both ways are only slaves only mentioned in the 14th amendment ?? if not you have no argument

You are wrong again. "Arms" is a general term applied to all manner of weapons that can be used offensively or defensively. "Arms" at the time of constitutional ratification did not mean "muskets." At that time there were a great variety of arms--knives of all kinds including bayonets, axes, hammers, bow and arrow, spear, cannon, etc. Many types of arms existed throughout history before the Constitution. The term "arms" as used in the Constitution very well defines the weapons of today.

"Slave" is a more specific term, but as used in the Constitution, it would be anyone who is forced to do labor against his will, is not free to come and go at will, and who is held in bondage purely at the will of a master and whose life is in the hands of that master. What was considered a slave then would be considered a slave today.