China tariffs - did we win?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I realize you think Trump respects you, but he's playing you for a fool.
If is politically expedient for us to fail in the future as long as there is the appearance of success at the current time, he has no issue with the final results being bad as long as his ratings are good.
His military approval rating was little different than Obamas and is dropping.
" President Donald Trump’s approval rating among active-duty military personnel has slipped over the last two years, leaving today’s troops evenly split over whether they’re happy with the commander in chief’s job performance, according to the results of a new Military Times poll of active-duty service members.

About 44 percent of troops had a favorable view of Trump’s presidency, the poll showed, compared to 43 percent who disapproved.

The results from the survey, conducted over the course of September and October, suggest a gradual decline in troops’ support of Trump since he was elected in fall 2016, when a similar Military Times poll showed that 46 percent of troops approved of Trump compared to 37 percent who disapproved. That nine-point margin of support now appears gone."

Pretty much anyone other than conservative white
people who are middle class evangelical Christians have had their rights trampled on.

The Department of Health and Human Services created a new civil rights division to protect medical personnel who, based on their religious beliefs, refuse to treat patients -- regardless of the patient's needs or access to alternative providers. So religious freedom means the freedom to discriminate.
In February, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos proposed spending over $1 billion on private school vouchers and other school choice plans. Based on existing voucher programs, a lot of that money would have ended up subsidizing religious schools if Congress had approved the funds.
The Department of Education also announced its desire to change rules that prohibit federal education funding for faith-based entities, and has re-opened the public comment period to begin the process. Some of those funds may well end up subsidizing religious schools that teach creationism and declare climate science a hoax. So religious freedom means the freedom to undermine science at taxpayer expense.
Top officials -- such as Vice President Mike Pence -- have repeatedly committed to overturning Roe v. Wade, despite the fact that 63% of Americans support it, and now they have a Supreme Court nominee who might help do just that. So religious freedom means forcing one interpretation of religion on everyone.
President Donald Trump has (so far unsuccessfully) tried to get rid of the Johnson Amendment to let religious leaders explicitly endorse candidates from the pulpit. So religious freedom means compromising the separation of church and state, allowing people to use religion for partisan advantage and politics to build religious power.

he’s not playing me for a fool, i know exactly what he is, moreso than you. My god, every syllable from you is pure paranoid fantasy. Take off the tinfoil hat, stop howling at the moon, and talk sense.

What is he doing to hurt our future, other than accumulating debt, which obama also did and we all know you didn’t complain about that.

Whose rights has he trampled? Sure he has had his wrist slapped by courts, as obama also did. What trampling of rights has he implemented?

“religious freedom means the right to discriminate.”.

i encourage you to actually read the first amendment. it says the right to freely practice religion shall not be infringed. It does not say “unless someone else is being seriously inconvenienced.”. It’s easy to respect others rights when it doesn’t cost you anything. the true test, is if you reapect the conatitution when it hurts you to do so.

most poor people support school choice and vouchers. only those pressured by teachers unions oppose it. i thought liberals were in favor of “choice”? Pretty sure i heard that somewhere.

As to roe v wade, slavery was settled law, so was segregation. until the christian right helped eliminate those things. Roe v wade isn’t in any danger.

“separation of church and state” does not mean that religion cannot influence politics. It means the government cannot officially endorse one religion. The words “separation of church and state” aren’t in the constitution. In fact, it’s obvious ( perhaps not to you) that the founding fathers relied heavily on judeo christian principles to found the nation.

would do you good to actually sit down and read what the constitution actually says, instead of listening to what msnbc claims
it says.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Pretty much anyone other than conservative white
people who are middle class evangelical Christians have had their rights trampled on.

I see pete has already begun his holiday drinking

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I see pete has already begun his holiday drinking

they’re acting like he has already set up concentration camps within our borders. i must have missed that news story.

Trump is a jerk, his style is offensive to many people, and he thinks that’s all our fault.

But how is he trampling on our republic, exactly?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

they’re acting like he has already set up concentration camps within our borders. i must have missed that news story.

Trump is a jerk, his style is offensive to many people, and he thinks that’s all our fault.

But how is he trampling on our republic, exactly?
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https://youtu.be/lkz7xgsPGmQ
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

https://youtu.be/lkz7xgsPGmQ
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Oh for f*ck's sake, you think he was being literal?

Obama went on camera and said Republicans needed to get to the back of the bus. It never occurred to me, not for a second, that he meant it literally.

That's the best you have? You are seriously afraid that Trump will drag you to 5th Ave in NY and shoot you?

Deranged. Totally unhinged.

[Pete F.]

No I don’t think Trump will shoot someone but I do not think he believes laws should apply to him.
That is the difference between a King and a President
You can discuss that with Rex Tillerson.
But he went from the best to lazy in a very short time.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No I don’t think Trump will shoot someone but I do not think he believes laws should apply to him.
That is the difference between a King and a President
You can discuss that with Rex Tillerson.
But he went from the best to lazy in a very short time.
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you are free to believe he thinks he’s above the law. i am free to think Obama despised white cops.

hopefully with trump, we will soon know something meaningful, instead of relying on what we think.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

instead of relying on what we think.
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in this group, that would be a terrible precedent to set.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you are free to believe he thinks he’s above the law. i am free to think Obama despised white cops.

hopefully with trump, we will soon know something meaningful, instead of relying on what we think.
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Such a horrible potus he was for speaking out about white cops and cops in general who shoot unarmed black and white people .... how many people were shot just for being black in the last 3 months . I know of several or 3 cops who sent each other’s texts to beat up a black lives matter protesters . And the guy they target was a black under cover officer in the crowd.. you live in a white washed world you need to get out more
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Such a horrible potus he was for speaking out about white cops and cops in general who shoot unarmed black and white people .... how many people were shot just for being black in the last 3 months . I know of several or 3 cops who sent each other’s texts to beat up a black lives matter protesters . And the guy they target was a black under cover officer in the crowd.. you live in a white washed world you need to get out more
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He attacked the Cambridge police (after admitting he didn't know what happened, but he knew a black person was upset with white cops, and that was enough for him to take sides), who did they shoot? Please inform us?

You work in law enforcement, you think white cops are systematically targeting black people for racial assassinations?

"how many people were shot just for being black in the last 3 months "

I don't know. I know that a LOT MORE were shot by fellow blacks, than were shot by white cops.

"I know of several or 3 cops who sent each other’s texts to beat up a black lives matter protesters "

We have no way of knowing if that's true.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He attacked the Cambridge police (after admitting he didn't know what happened, but he knew a black person was upset with white cops, and that was enough for him to take sides), who did they shoot? Please inform us?

You work in law enforcement, you think white cops are systematically targeting black people for racial assassinations?

"how many people were shot just for being black in the last 3 months "

I don't know. I know that a LOT MORE were shot by fellow blacks, than were shot by white cops.

"I know of several or 3 cops who sent each other’s texts to beat up a black lives matter protesters "

We have no way of knowing if that's true.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ing-protester/

https://wgno.com/2018/11/27/the-chan...-alabama-mall/

. I know that a LOT MORE were shot by fellow blacks, than were shot by white cops

Wow that’s a twisted way to rationalize cops killing unarmed blacks
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[Pete F.]

It might be an alternative fact
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Another interesting statistic, Gang membership is in the low to mid 30's % range for blacks, compared to single digits to low 10% for whites.

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/s...s/demographics

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Another interesting statistic, Gang membership is in the low to mid 30's % range for blacks, compared to single digits to low 10% for whites.

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/s...s/demographics

And all those statistics also match the socioeconomic status of the various portions of the population.
Pointing fingers to date has solved no problem.
What has happened, is that statistics for law enforcement has never been collected other than by media or identity groups and that is only recently.
What is the fear of data collection?
It's very hard to solve a problem if you don't identify and quantify it first.
Notice, I have drawn no conclusion.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Notice, I have drawn no conclusion.

Again, maybe you want to take that up with wdmso, he drew a conclusion that cops shoot blacks at a disproportionate rate based on statistics.

I was giving him more statistics to ponder.

I'm also beginning to sense a man-crush, because every time I respond to him, you come to his rescue
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Again, maybe you want to take that up with wdmso, he drew a conclusion that cops shoot blacks at a disproportionate rate based on statistics.

I was giving him more statistics to ponder.

I'm also beginning to sense a man-crush, because every time I respond to him, you come to his rescue
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Didn’t realize I was rescuing him
Though perhaps you and Jim should look in the mirror when you tag team and highfive
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Didn’t realize I was rescuing him
Though perhaps you and Jim should look in the mirror when you tag team and highfive
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TDF and i have disagreed in the past. when all the game takes point to one conclusion, you want to fault us for agreeing with the obvious?

Pete, just because a republican says that 2+2=4, doesn’t make it wrong.

99.8% of black victims of lethal violence, were something other than unarmed blacks killed by cops. If you want to obsess over the 0.2%, giidnfor you. if 90% were killed
by other blacks, i say let’s fix that, let’s atbleast talk about it. You won’t. You can’t, because it doesn’t serve liberalism. All
that matters to you people, is ideology.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Though perhaps you and Jim should look in the mirror when you tag team and highfive
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Maybe Alissa Milano can help him through his #MeToo moment.

Does this mean I can't be on SCOTUS?
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[Nebe]

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[Sea Dangles]

Pete loves the catchy terms that incite and Nebe is just the snowflake to get hooked and make a a good first run .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pete loves the catchy terms that incite and Nebe is just the snowflake to get hooked and make a a good first run .
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very common for libs to hurl insults when they’ve lost. i’m just curious.
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[Jim in CT]

Nebe and Pete, one more time, can you please show us one thing i’ve posted, that would
make anyone think i’m a christian fascist? this will be the last time i ask...
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[detbuch]

Trade war with China, and tariffs as a weapon, are necessary:

[Got Stripers]

I’m more concerned about a potential real war in the Middle East, since Bolton appears to be moving significant forces into position. Between him, Trumps short fuse and love of conflict and a new secretary of defense with no experience; it’s a recipe for a disaster.
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[detbuch]

The so-called "trade war" between The U.S. and China has a deeper dimension than what the media wants to portray as a Trump folly. Thomas Friedman agrees with what Trump is doing, he and Bannon explain it. A MUST WATCH: