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Old 12-20-2018, 09:25 AM   #1
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John don’t you think ww3 will likely start in the Middle East and we need to keep a presence there.
Though maybe the rest of the world, us included, need to stop supplying them with weapons. Some people are making a lot of money arms dealing
I have a F of F who’s making what a doctor makes in a couple yrs in a month selling in the Middle East
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"John don’t you think ww3 will likely start in the Middle East"

Probably.

"we need to keep a presence there"

So were you opposed when Obama withdrew from Iraq against the wishes of many advisors, or is it only problematic when Trump does it? I think the entire developed world (NATO, UN) needs to have a presence there, not just us.

"the world, us included, need to stop supplying them with weapons"

Great point, I agree 100%.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:28 AM   #2
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"John don’t you think ww3 will likely start in the Middle East"

Probably.

"we need to keep a presence there"

So were you opposed when Obama withdrew from Iraq against the wishes of many advisors, or is it only problematic when Trump does it? I think the entire developed world (NATO, UN) needs to have a presence there, not just us.

"the world, us included, need to stop supplying them with weapons"

Great point, I agree 100%.
Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears or our allies again Iraq and Syria are not the same
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:39 PM   #3
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Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears or our allies again Iraq and Syria are not the same
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'Trump didn’t ask his generals'

How would you happen to know that?
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Old 12-21-2018, 04:53 AM   #4
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'Trump didn’t ask his generals'

How would you happen to know that?
Ask Mattis he's the Sec of defense and was surprised or did you missed the headlines of the the people shocked by the announcement and his letter is wider in scope then syria

PS mattis isn't one of his generals and he was surprised the Generals under him more likely had no idea

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Old 12-21-2018, 07:15 AM   #5
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Ask Mattis he's the Sec of defense and was surprised or did you missed the headlines of the the people shocked by the announcement and his letter is wider in scope then syria

PS mattis isn't one of his generals and he was surprised the Generals under him more likely had no idea
did you ask him?

being surprised at the decision, doesn’t mean Trump didn’t ask for
anyone’s opinion. it could
meannhe asked for opinions, and then made a different decision from what Mattis expected.

I’ll ask again, please post a link or something that says that Trump did this without asking any of the generals for their thoughts. if he did, i’d
like to know. but i don’t think that’s what happened. i think he listened to them, and then decided he knew better. two very different things.

i trust Mattis in these matters. but again, we aee the hypocrisy in both sides. when obama
pulled us out of iraq ( i know it’s different than syria), the right
attacked him and the left defended him. now we have the opposite. Hypocrisy on both sides. although in the case of syrianthere are thisenin the right, like lindsay graham, who are also criticizing Trump.

a common set of standards, applied equally to both sides by both parties, sure would be refreshing.

we need to elect different kinds of people. but we don’t.
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:51 AM   #6
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did you ask him?

being surprised at the decision, doesn’t mean Trump didn’t ask for
anyone’s opinion. it could
meannhe asked for opinions, and then made a different decision from what Mattis expected.

I’ll ask again, please post a link or something that says that Trump did this without asking any of the generals for their thoughts. if he did, i’d
like to know. but i don’t think that’s what happened. i think he listened to them, and then decided he knew better. two very different things.

i trust Mattis in these matters. but again, we aee the hypocrisy in both sides. when obama
pulled us out of iraq ( i know it’s different than syria), the right
attacked him and the left defended him. now we have the opposite. Hypocrisy on both sides. although in the case of syrianthere are thisenin the right, like lindsay graham, who are also criticizing Trump.

a common set of standards, applied equally to both sides by both parties, sure would be refreshing.

we need to elect different kinds of people. but we don’t.
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On Syria it hasn’t been right v. Left, this decision is most of the right and left on one side, mike lee, rand Paul, Ann Coulter, Rush and Putin on the other.....
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Old 12-21-2018, 08:17 AM   #7
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On Syria it hasn’t been right v. Left, this decision is most of the right and left on one side, mike lee, rand Paul, Ann Coulter, Rush and Putin on the other.....
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I saw Rand Paul praising Trump last night. Interesting stuff. Very depressing too.
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:58 AM   #8
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we need to elect different kinds of people. but we don’t.

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Old 12-21-2018, 01:06 PM   #9
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did you ask him?

being surprised at the decision, doesn’t mean Trump didn’t ask for
anyone’s opinion. it could
meannhe asked for opinions, and then made a different decision from what Mattis expected.

I’ll ask again, please post a link or something that says that Trump did this without asking any of the generals for their thoughts. if he did, i’d
like to know. but i don’t think that’s what happened. i think he listened to them, and then decided he knew better. two very different things.

i trust Mattis in these matters. but again, we aee the hypocrisy in both sides. when obama
pulled us out of iraq ( i know it’s different than syria), the right
attacked him and the left defended him. now we have the opposite. Hypocrisy on both sides. although in the case of syrianthere are thisenin the right, like lindsay graham, who are also criticizing Trump.

a common set of standards, applied equally to both sides by both parties, sure would be refreshing.

we need to elect different kinds of people. but we don’t.
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Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears That’s the quote .. you know what appears means ? Or it appears he did not ask them



Trump says Mattis is 'sort of a Democrat’
Trump: 'I know more' about NATO than Defense Secretary Jim Mattis
Such statements don’t prove he didn’t ask . But you need to start from a position of openness than just an appearance you care what they have to say it appears to me his meeting are for show
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Old 12-21-2018, 01:37 PM   #10
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Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears That’s the quote .. you know what appears means ? Or it appears he did not ask them



Trump says Mattis is 'sort of a Democrat’
Trump: 'I know more' about NATO than Defense Secretary Jim Mattis
Such statements don’t prove he didn’t ask . But you need to start from a position of openness than just an appearance you care what they have to say it appears to me his meeting are for show
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